how much would a full tank for a beast like that even cost..

 

Democrats never acknowledge something a republican is doing is right. It's somewhere in their codebook or something. It would be like Cuba telling the U.S. we're doing something right.

Seriously though, this is awesome. I was worried Obama would be a bit of a wuss but he's putting the smack down a bit. Good stuff.

 

Yeah the Republicans jumped all over the auto execs about their planes....and didn't say jackshit to the bankers about how to use their bailout...

 

Actually one would, if they gave us something to agree on is right. Epoch said he did agree with something in the last 8 years, I can't recall anything myself.

Patriot Act/FISA? Nope
Iraq War? Nope
Katrina? Nope
Gitmo? Nope

I'm more than willing to agree with someone who is doing something right, ask Nightshade, but I haven't seen anything I can agree with yet. I will give credit where credit is due, if you can offer something up I'm more than willing to agree.

 

Doood. Seriously? You want to pin this on Bush? Bush said "Congress draft up a Stimulus plan". Congress did and pork barrelled the shit out of it. Republicans said "Nooooooooooo! Do-over". President comes back out and says "Y'all play nice and get the damn bill finished, I'll sign anything, just get it done, the country is in desperate need". Congress re-wrote it. Bush signed it and the money flowed.

CONGRESS IS CONTROLLED BY A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY. Bush wrote 0% of the first stimulus bill. All he did was sign it. The majority of republicans opposed it but they're not the majority, so it doesn't matter what they think. That first stimulus bill is a product of Democratic ideals. 80% of Americans were against it regardless of party affiliations... but shame on the Dem's in Congress for not listening to them.

I'm flippin' tired of everyone getting pissed at Bush because CONGRESS didn't write any clauses about fiscal responsibility or accountability into the first bailout. BLAME F'N CONGRESS FOR THAT G'D'-it.

BTW: The same retards that crafted the first one are about to F-up again with the second one which I like to call the "democratic spending bill". They're about to spend more than the ENTIRE COST OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN to-date on corporations and special interest groups with the stroke of a pen. Not give it to the people like Bush did with the stimulus checks... the action that others in this thread are begging for and know works.

So what about a $50,000,000 plane, what about the $150,000,000 inauguration party when the government can't balance IT'S OWN BUDGET? What about the breaching of promises about campaign financing? What about the circus of dirty cabinet members that are on BHO's staff? I'm just waiting for the clowns to start piling out of the presidential limo and Joe Biden shot out of the cannon. I just hope it's aimed at Pelosi when it goes off!

 

I'm not going to defend the republicans because I don't agree with them much more than I do the democrats. I'm simply stating what I've observed. Each party has it's vices and virtues. But when it comes to acknowledging something positive on the other side of the spectrum, the democrats are losers. The only time I've ever seen a democrat at least say someting positive about a republican decision was Joe Liberman about Iraq. He stood up to say that the reduction of violence in Iraq in 2008 was commendable. Joe's very moderate so I'm not sure that even counts. That's what I'm talking about, little things like that. Just today I read in the paper about the positive feedback from the republicans when Obama met with them yesterday regarding the stimulus package. They civilly said they don't agree with everything in the package but it was great that Obama would meet with them to discuss it so they could voice their concerns. Would you hear that from the dems if Bush met with them? Hell no. There'd be nothing but resentment and criticism about any of his ideas. Another example is when they pointed out that there haven't been any terrorist attacks on US soil since 911, or when the Iraquies voted a few years ago. Positive snippits like that never get any praise from the dems. The press covers these issues but the Dems never said as much as "Well, yes, it's a good thing that we haven't had any terrorist attacks in the last 7 years".

I'm really optimistic about Obama though. He seems less biased than most, and is quick to give credit. Plus, so far he's shown a willingness to try to work with both sides of the spectrum. He's likely to accomplish a lot more that way. The democrats wouldn't even think of working with Bush when he was in office. Hopefully the rest of the democratic party follows his lead. If so, I might just be a registered democrat by the end of his term. The rest of the big names and influencial dems like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Dick Durbin, Ed Kennedy, etc. are a bunch of sniviling, borderline immature asshats IMO. Thank God none of them got in.

 

:edit: Jafro, I agree with the majority of what you posted, and it is BS that the president will get pinned for anything that happens, regardless of whether he had a hand in it.

But I do take issue with this statement. I just had a meeting with the mayor of Broomfield (a nearby city/county), and he was contacted over a month ago by the Obama administration (well, transition team at the time) to prepare a list of projects that are ready to go if funded. I can only assume similar contacts have been made across the country. I know Broomfield has a lot of "to-do list" projects, and builders and construction workers are the hardest hit group of people in this part of the state. I couldn't think of a more direct and positive effect on job creation than that. That said, congress will have the same opportunity to fuxor this up, just as they did the last one.

I also question whether sending a check to every American is an effective economic tool. We all got $600 last year, and it didn't do jack shit. Now that times are tight and the markets are uncertain, people would be more likely to save that check than spend or invest it. That provides no short-term boost to the economy at all. The idea of drastic tax cuts and hand outs also doesn't sit well with me at a time when we're spending more money (by a significant margin) than we ever have.

This bill doesn't sit right with me, and neither did the last. Either it'll work and we'll get out of the slump and spend the next decade or two paying off our credit card bill, or it wont work and I'll move to Mexico. Either way, not an ideal situation :hsd:

Holy political thread, batman

 

Loisglow, there exists that on both sides of the spectrum. The reason why you have not heard democrats commend republicans on the other side of the aisle is because of the situation they were in for 6 years being the minority. They were threatened changes to filibuster rules in the event they even threatened to filibuster, a move granted, I don't agree with on both sides (would rather people talk instead of threatening to filibuster or change rules to filibusters) but they were the minority and as such, still needed their voices heard in some way. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibus...Senate_history) You can read a bit about it there, but anyways like I said people will give credit where credit is due. In addition I hate partisan politics as much as the next person, I've been all about compromise from the start, as long as people's voices and opinions are heard and taken into account I think we should be fine. That's what politics SHOULD be about, not exactly getting your way but at least being able to be heard and have your opinion taken into account to move on to a JOINT solution.

 

They probably ordered this jet before all this shit hit the fan.

You guys do know that Citi has a whole aviation department that takes care of their fleet or corporate jet right? they were selling 2 of the old jet for 25 million each and get this one. Now they will probably not sell the old jets.

 

hell yeah!


Fuck them and all their jets. You have to be bailed out by me you have to fly like me. Fuck you.