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:eekno: Someone here agrees with me politically?!?!? 
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I don't criticize policy that addresses local issues that are in need of attention. What I have beef with special-interest-wise is the hundreds of millions of dollars funding for abortions overseas, contraceptive funding for the lower and middle class... as well as cash for Hollywood studios, building ATV tracks and hand-outs to political groups like ACORN that promoted voter fraud in efforts to get BHO in office. NONE of those things will stimulate the economy. All of these things are Democratic special-interests that I'm sure both sides could disagree on.
Do highly-paid Hollywood actors and directors need more money when their audience can't afford to see their movies? How many lower-class minorities ride an ATV? Are the groups that studied contraception helping the economy the same ones that pushed for abstinence-only campaigns? What basis is there for these policies? I don't see any of these things creating jobs in the private sector that will make any kind of difference on Wall Street or Main Street, and those are the kind of things that I think need to be under scrutiny.
It's a lot of pork, and I hope it fails. Why? Because the gov't stepping in with a slow injection of cash (a day late and a dollar short of the crisis) says that the government has no faith in its people to make adjustments, become competitive, and to empower themselves to overcome these times. When gov't says we're going to spend our way out of debt, you have to ask yourself how that makes any sense when it's what got us here in the first place. This approach teaches constituents that government won't let failure fail no matter what happens, and people become complacent and lazy knowing that they won't "fail" no matter what it costs them. That-in-itself is failure.
The reason why Bush's stimulus checks didn't work was this. OPEC heard the government was giving out cash, and raised the price of oil to $150 a barrel so they could have the vast majority of it. When the cash ran out, where did the price of oil go? I can tell you where the money went and it wasn't into our economy... but the stock market took a while after that to crash. After the wall street crash, the price of oil dropped. We got robbed blind, man.
h:I don't criticize policy that addresses local issues that are in need of attention. What I have beef with special-interest-wise is the hundreds of millions of dollars funding for abortions overseas, contraceptive funding for the lower and middle class... as well as cash for Hollywood studios, building ATV tracks and hand-outs to political groups like ACORN that promoted voter fraud in efforts to get BHO in office. NONE of those things will stimulate the economy. All of these things are Democratic special-interests that I'm sure both sides could disagree on.
Do highly-paid Hollywood actors and directors need more money when their audience can't afford to see their movies? How many lower-class minorities ride an ATV? Are the groups that studied contraception helping the economy the same ones that pushed for abstinence-only campaigns? What basis is there for these policies? I don't see any of these things creating jobs in the private sector that will make any kind of difference on Wall Street or Main Street, and those are the kind of things that I think need to be under scrutiny.
It's a lot of pork, and I hope it fails. Why? Because the gov't stepping in with a slow injection of cash (a day late and a dollar short of the crisis) says that the government has no faith in its people to make adjustments, become competitive, and to empower themselves to overcome these times. When gov't says we're going to spend our way out of debt, you have to ask yourself how that makes any sense when it's what got us here in the first place. This approach teaches constituents that government won't let failure fail no matter what happens, and people become complacent and lazy knowing that they won't "fail" no matter what it costs them. That-in-itself is failure.
The reason why Bush's stimulus checks didn't work was this. OPEC heard the government was giving out cash, and raised the price of oil to $150 a barrel so they could have the vast majority of it. When the cash ran out, where did the price of oil go? I can tell you where the money went and it wasn't into our economy... but the stock market took a while after that to crash. After the wall street crash, the price of oil dropped. We got robbed blind, man.
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:eekno: Someone here agrees with me politically?!?!? h:
I don't criticize policy that addresses local issues that are in need of attention. What I have beef with special-interest-wise is the hundreds of millions of dollars funding for abortions overseas, contraceptive funding for the lower and middle class... as well as cash for Hollywood studios, building ATV tracks and hand-outs to political groups like ACORN that promoted voter fraud in efforts to get BHO in office. NONE of those things will stimulate the economy. All of these things are Democratic special-interests that I'm sure both sides could disagree on.
Do highly-paid Hollywood actors and directors need more money when their audience can't afford to see their movies? How many lower-class minorities ride an ATV? Are the groups that studied contraception helping the economy the same ones that pushed for abstinence-only campaigns? What basis is there for these policies? I don't see any of these things creating jobs in the private sector that will make any kind of difference on Wall Street or Main Street, and those are the kind of things that I think need to be under scrutiny.
It's a lot of pork, and I hope it fails. Why? Because the gov't stepping in with a slow injection of cash (a day late and a dollar short of the crisis) says that the government has no faith in its people to make adjustments, become competitive, and to empower themselves to overcome these times. When gov't says we're going to spend our way out of debt, you have to ask yourself how that makes any sense when it's what got us here in the first place. This approach teaches constituents that government won't let failure fail no matter what happens, and people become complacent and lazy knowing that they won't "fail" no matter what it costs them. That-in-itself is failure.
The reason why Bush's stimulus checks didn't work was this. OPEC heard the government was giving out cash, and raised the price of oil to $150 a barrel so they could have the vast majority of it. When the cash ran out, where did the price of oil go? I can tell you where the money went and it wasn't into our economy... but the stock market took a while after that to crash. After the wall street crash, the price of oil dropped. We got robbed blind, man.
h:I don't criticize policy that addresses local issues that are in need of attention. What I have beef with special-interest-wise is the hundreds of millions of dollars funding for abortions overseas, contraceptive funding for the lower and middle class... as well as cash for Hollywood studios, building ATV tracks and hand-outs to political groups like ACORN that promoted voter fraud in efforts to get BHO in office. NONE of those things will stimulate the economy. All of these things are Democratic special-interests that I'm sure both sides could disagree on.
Do highly-paid Hollywood actors and directors need more money when their audience can't afford to see their movies? How many lower-class minorities ride an ATV? Are the groups that studied contraception helping the economy the same ones that pushed for abstinence-only campaigns? What basis is there for these policies? I don't see any of these things creating jobs in the private sector that will make any kind of difference on Wall Street or Main Street, and those are the kind of things that I think need to be under scrutiny.
It's a lot of pork, and I hope it fails. Why? Because the gov't stepping in with a slow injection of cash (a day late and a dollar short of the crisis) says that the government has no faith in its people to make adjustments, become competitive, and to empower themselves to overcome these times. When gov't says we're going to spend our way out of debt, you have to ask yourself how that makes any sense when it's what got us here in the first place. This approach teaches constituents that government won't let failure fail no matter what happens, and people become complacent and lazy knowing that they won't "fail" no matter what it costs them. That-in-itself is failure.
The reason why Bush's stimulus checks didn't work was this. OPEC heard the government was giving out cash, and raised the price of oil to $150 a barrel so they could have the vast majority of it. When the cash ran out, where did the price of oil go? I can tell you where the money went and it wasn't into our economy... but the stock market took a while after that to crash. After the wall street crash, the price of oil dropped. We got robbed blind, man.
The rest... I don't even want to touch. If you're still obsessed about ACORN "voter fraud" as a widespread epidemic of democrat controlled ballot stuffing, and can't even bother yourself to read the actual reports on the situation by 3rd parties, well, I'm afraid you can't be helped
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If you want to actually compare apples to apples, it turns out that Obama's inaugural committee is spending about $45 million, all collected through private donations. That's only about $3 million more than Bush's second inaugural committee spent, and when you consider the fact that while roughly 300,000 Americans turned out for George Bush's bash, 1-2 million people are expected to turn out tomorrow to witness Barack Obama's historic inauguration, Obama's party price tag suddenly looks like a good deal. Barack Obama's inaugural committee is only spending about $30 per attendee, while George W. Bush's committee spent about $140 on each inaugural audience member— more than four times as much.
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I would have preferred something cheaper as well, but that million people would have shown up anyways.