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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Tark
Am i discusted by it? sure... but there is usually more to the story. Also this is somewhat of a isolated case so it might not be representative of a whole "culture".

hence why i said family values and said specifically this instance not all in general

the problem is the perception is bad because generally you see these stories from certain cultures and religious factions


and i agree theres probably more to the story, but based on the facts so far at hand there is no way anyone could defend that husbands actions.

like i said, it's one thing if you have certain beliefs and you are willing to lay down your life for those beliefs ... but to force innocents or what appear to be innocents to kill themselves and other innocents for your beliefs ... wrong
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tark
Am i discusted by it? sure... but there is usually more to the story. Also this is somewhat of a isolated case so it might not be representative of a whole "culture".
exactly, there are extremist in every culture and religion, take for instance those people that would blow up abortion clinic... those were AMERICAN citizens, Christian for that matter, I am Christian but i understand that they are not representative of me or what i believe in.

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hence why i said family values and said specifically this instance not all in general

the problem is the perception is bad because generally you see these stories from certain cultures and religious factions


and i agree theres probably more to the story, but based on the facts so far at hand there is no way anyone could defend that husbands actions.

like i said, it's one thing if you have certain beliefs and you are willing to lay down your life for those beliefs ... but to force innocents or what appear to be innocents to kill themselves and other innocents for your beliefs ... wrong
some religions believe that it is their duty to take others lives to SAVE them from what they perceive as worse which would be living in this life.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tark
Am i discusted by it? sure... but there is usually more to the story. Also this is somewhat of a isolated case so it might not be representative of a whole "culture".
werd, depending on where you are standing we are terrorists (W certainly is from where I stand).

What that family or anyone carrying out acts such as that are pure D shit, thats for sure, but it certainly is harder to point fingers when you blow up entire cities for blood money.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 12:23 PM
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by lil_1_2002
exactly, there are extremist in every culture and religion, take for instance those people that would blow up abortion clinic... those were AMERICAN citizens, Christian for that matter, I am Christian but i understand that they are not representative of me or what i believe in.

wow

you are completely missing the whole point of this story ... either its going right over your head or you are ignoring it ...

laying down your life for YOUR beliefs is one thing, forcing others who may not share those beliefs to lay down their lifes and kill others who cant even have different beliefs than you because they barely know anything is totally different.

what kind of institution says that killing innocents by using other innocents is ok?

i can 100% respect anyone who lays down their life for their beliefs, wether i agree or not. but there is no respect for killing those who have no beef with you or your beliefs.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rebeld
hence why i said family values and said specifically this instance not all in general

the problem is the perception is bad because generally you see these stories from certain cultures and religious factions


and i agree theres probably more to the story, but based on the facts so far at hand there is no way anyone could defend that husbands actions.

like i said, it's one thing if you have certain beliefs and you are willing to lay down your life for those beliefs ... but to force innocents or what appear to be innocents to kill themselves and other innocents for your beliefs ... wrong
Dude when the USA invaded Iraq many inocent people died. Why? Because the American gouvernment wanted to force their beleifs on the people.

it's like that everywhere wars are caused because people are trying to force there beleifs (religion, political, social, ect...) thats what wars are about.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 12:28 PM
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what the heck does this have to do with religion? this could happen anywhere.... yes, christian buddhist, hindu doesnt matter anywhere... takes one person who is out of his mind.

yes iraq is going through fucking hell right now. think about how you'd feel if somebodys whole country was bombed over a few months and you ask them to recouperate. it is tough. shit like this will happen.
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rebeld
wow

you are completely missing the whole point of this story ... either its going right over your head or you are ignoring it ...

laying down your life for YOUR beliefs is one thing, forcing others who may not share those beliefs to lay down their lifes and kill others who cant even have different beliefs than you because they barely know anything is totally different.

what kind of institution says that killing innocents by using other innocents is ok?i can 100% respect anyone who lays down their life for their beliefs, wether i agree or not. but there is no respect for killing those who have no beef with you or your beliefs.
If you are enrolled in the USA army and beleive that the war in Iraq is not justified what will happen?
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tark
Dude when the USA invaded Iraq many inocent people died. Why? Because the American gouvernment wanted to force their beleifs on the people.

it's like that everywhere wars are caused because people are trying to force there beleifs (religion, political, social, ect...) thats what wars are about.
you guys are STILL missing my point

innocents are always the biggest victims of any conflict ... thats a given, we killed plenty either by accident or semi-intentional.

but this goes beyond that ... im not arguing the guys religion or beliefs ... im questioning what kind of person has the morals to force his wife to kill children ...

and as for carlos point about some beliefs saying its their job to kill those who dont agree ... this wasnt against people who had different beliefs, this was against children
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lil_1_2002
I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying that's how it is. weather you or i or anyone else in America likes it. its hundreds of years of this type of religious upbringing. maybe not the drugging and all that stuff, but defiantly the dying for what they believe in even if its religion. I'm just saying that you cant understand them if you approach the situation with the American mindset, when sometimes all these people have is their honor and they believe that dying for something will ensure then eternal life, you cant fault them for this because YOU dont believe it to be true.
I think you're arguing a point with wrong logic. Your points aren't helping prove the case in your favor.
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