HAN AR crew v. suggestions
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Honestly I would go bull barrell regardless. It makes a bigger difference in long range shooting than you would expect. I run them on all my ARs and also on several other rifles. The overall stability and tack sharp accuracy offsets any weight disadvantage.
Of course I have lugged 15lb rifles 3 days in the woods to drop elk and although it gets heavy it isn't intolerable.
Of course I have lugged 15lb rifles 3 days in the woods to drop elk and although it gets heavy it isn't intolerable.
i know you dont like posting pics of your rifles but i'm having areal hard time deciding here which i want to go with.
at the end of the day i want function > look but i dont want a overly heavy barrel that you can shoot from a standing position all that easily.
what sort of weight are we talking with your bull barrels?
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and you will pay about 1200 up front for one 
I will spend 1200 and have the superior weapon...in fact I will probably spend less and still get a superior weapon since a homebuilt AR with some accessories should run around $900 or so using better than average components...you will get whatever is on sale when they assembled it.
I will spend 1200 and have the superior weapon...in fact I will probably spend less and still get a superior weapon since a homebuilt AR with some accessories should run around $900 or so using better than average components...you will get whatever is on sale when they assembled it.
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and you will pay about 1200 up front for one
I will spend 1200 and have the superior weapon...in fact I will probably spend less and still get a superior weapon since a homebuilt AR with some accessories should run around $900 or so using better than average components...you will get whatever is on sale when they assembled it.
I will spend 1200 and have the superior weapon...in fact I will probably spend less and still get a superior weapon since a homebuilt AR with some accessories should run around $900 or so using better than average components...you will get whatever is on sale when they assembled it.
the upper will cost me approx 500 and then i want to add a match grade trigger once i get it all put together
thats a hell of a lot cheaper than the ones i've seen that are 1200 and still look iffy to me
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john as a request would you be willing to email or pm me a couple pics of what yours look like with the bulls?
i know you dont like posting pics of your rifles but i'm having areal hard time deciding here which i want to go with.
at the end of the day i want function > look but i dont want a overly heavy barrel that you can shoot from a standing position all that easily.
what sort of weight are we talking with your bull barrels?
i know you dont like posting pics of your rifles but i'm having areal hard time deciding here which i want to go with.
at the end of the day i want function > look but i dont want a overly heavy barrel that you can shoot from a standing position all that easily.
what sort of weight are we talking with your bull barrels?
h:Average weight with bull barrel using standard components (no CF) runs I want to say around the 10-12 lb mark (not sure) though it is easy to strip the gun down a bit more and get to the sub 9lb mark even with a bull barrel and bipod attached.
I am all about function and only attach what I am going to use otherwise it does me no good.
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To be honest I have no photos of my rifles h:
Average weight with bull barrel using standard components (no CF) runs I want to say around the 10-12 lb mark (not sure) though it is easy to strip the gun down a bit more and get to the sub 9lb mark even with a bull barrel and bipod attached.
I am all about function and only attach what I am going to use otherwise it does me no good.
h:Average weight with bull barrel using standard components (no CF) runs I want to say around the 10-12 lb mark (not sure) though it is easy to strip the gun down a bit more and get to the sub 9lb mark even with a bull barrel and bipod attached.
I am all about function and only attach what I am going to use otherwise it does me no good.
i'm hoping to be around 10lbs
only accessories i really see as a must will be a bipod & scope ... but i dont know if i want anything over 4x for that. other than that i may add a tangodown front grip.
i'm just trying to figure something that will do a fairly good job in small spaces (home defense) but will pull up and shoot well out to 200 yds
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i'm hoping to be around 10lbs
only accessories i really see as a must will be a bipod & scope ... but i dont know if i want anything over 4x for that. other than that i may add a tangodown front grip.
i'm just trying to figure something that will do a fairly good job in small spaces (home defense) but will pull up and shoot well out to 200 yds
it is a last ditch item for home defense, get a Remington Express or other shotgun for home defense...seriously I cannot stress how bad bullet weapons are for home defense and how dangerous it can be as well.
A shotgun pellet will hit a wall and lose velocity and may make it 10 feet into the next room. A bullet will go through the wall, the next room, out the house and into your neighbors wall before slowing or stopping.
I am so serious about keeping those around you safe from stray fire and in an invasion situation most firing happens less than 12' from the target...can you panic level and accuratley hit body mass in 3 seconds with a bullet? I know you can with a shotgun spread but the bullet you only get one chance since the average person can close 12 feet in 3 seconds or so and you only get one shot with that kind of timing to consider.
Seriously reconsider if this is for home defense, I mean this in all honesty and out of concern for those around you.
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DO NOT USE AN AR FOR HOME DEFENSE!!
it is a last ditch item for home defense, get a Remington Express or other shotgun for home defense...seriously I cannot stress how bad bullet weapons are for home defense and how dangerous it can be as well.
A shotgun pellet will hit a wall and lose velocity and may make it 10 feet into the next room. A bullet will go through the wall, the next room, out the house and into your neighbors wall before slowing or stopping.
I am so serious about keeping those around you safe from stray fire and in an invasion situation most firing happens less than 12' from the target...can you panic level and accuratley hit body mass in 3 seconds with a bullet? I know you can with a shotgun spread but the bullet you only get one chance since the average person can close 12 feet in 3 seconds or so and you only get one shot with that kind of timing to consider.
Seriously reconsider if this is for home defense, I mean this in all honesty and out of concern for those around you.
it is a last ditch item for home defense, get a Remington Express or other shotgun for home defense...seriously I cannot stress how bad bullet weapons are for home defense and how dangerous it can be as well.
A shotgun pellet will hit a wall and lose velocity and may make it 10 feet into the next room. A bullet will go through the wall, the next room, out the house and into your neighbors wall before slowing or stopping.
I am so serious about keeping those around you safe from stray fire and in an invasion situation most firing happens less than 12' from the target...can you panic level and accuratley hit body mass in 3 seconds with a bullet? I know you can with a shotgun spread but the bullet you only get one chance since the average person can close 12 feet in 3 seconds or so and you only get one shot with that kind of timing to consider.
Seriously reconsider if this is for home defense, I mean this in all honesty and out of concern for those around you.
not saying you're wrong, just saying that that logic isnt always right. besides the over under 12 gauge next to the bed is primary weapon. i dont purchase / build anything without thinking about its defense capabilities anyways with the exception of my deer rifle for reasons obvious to its usage