Iraq war czar: Consider a draft
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His facts are pretty fucked but the US is outsourcing our military through agencies like Blackwater which uses mercenaries from across the world. From my understanding a lot of foreign agents work for Blackwater.
A volunteer military only works as long as people volunteer. The recruitment numbers are available to check but last I read the volunteer numbers were dropping steadily since the first of this year. This lends credence to privatized military structuring such as Blackwater and Haliburton to come in and make a profit by providing the policing service for entire countries.
A volunteer military only works as long as people volunteer. The recruitment numbers are available to check but last I read the volunteer numbers were dropping steadily since the first of this year. This lends credence to privatized military structuring such as Blackwater and Haliburton to come in and make a profit by providing the policing service for entire countries.
I think that the kids that keep getting in trouble or put in Juvie Hall should be required to do at least ROTC to get them to respect authority.
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how about you just stick to what you know because clear you do not know what you are talking about with this bs you just posted.
they are already selling? no serving in the military does not guarantee citizenship. it makes it a bit easier but that has always been the case.
they are already selling? no serving in the military does not guarantee citizenship. it makes it a bit easier but that has always been the case.
All they need to do in order to increase the numbers of volenters is to raise the incentives for non citizens. I am not saying it's a bad thing either.
On top of this, as john said they are already outsourcing with 25K private army. Black water being the leading compagny..
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/press/newsdefault.asp
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right so the fact that they have to serve just one year -- not three -- before they could become citizens. Erased the $330 fee charged for citizenship applications. And allowed citizenship to be awarded to does who die in combat. Isint selling the citizenship?
All they need to do in order to increase the numbers of volenters is to raise the incentives for non citizens. I am not saying it's a bad thing either.
On top of this, as john said they are already outsourcing with 25K private army. Black water being the leading compagny..
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/press/newsdefault.asp
All they need to do in order to increase the numbers of volenters is to raise the incentives for non citizens. I am not saying it's a bad thing either.
On top of this, as john said they are already outsourcing with 25K private army. Black water being the leading compagny..
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/press/newsdefault.asp
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Rick you are arguing this wrong 
The point is that he is correct in saying they are selling off citizenship in exchange for military service. I am sure there is a bit more to it than his post gives but that is the gist of it in the end.
Sad but true fact is that everything is for sale and when a country is in need it is more willing to change it's policies to stay at the bargaining table.
The point is that he is correct in saying they are selling off citizenship in exchange for military service. I am sure there is a bit more to it than his post gives but that is the gist of it in the end.
Sad but true fact is that everything is for sale and when a country is in need it is more willing to change it's policies to stay at the bargaining table.
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Rick you are arguing this wrong
The point is that he is correct in saying they are selling off citizenship in exchange for military service. I am sure there is a bit more to it than his post gives but that is the gist of it in the end.
Sad but true fact is that everything is for sale and when a country is in need it is more willing to change it's policies to stay at the bargaining table.
The point is that he is correct in saying they are selling off citizenship in exchange for military service. I am sure there is a bit more to it than his post gives but that is the gist of it in the end.
Sad but true fact is that everything is for sale and when a country is in need it is more willing to change it's policies to stay at the bargaining table.
The voting age was lowered because it was decided that if they were old enough to join the military and possibly die, then they should be given the right to choose their leader.
The whole citizenship thing is no different to me. They face potential death or worse yet, maimed for life and scared both emotionally and physically. So why not make it easier for those that are fighting for this country to get citizenship of the country.
I don't see it as selling citizenship but rather a bonus. Just like the GI bill and just like when I get a bonus from work.
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I disagree. Then you can also say the right to vote was sold to people who are only 18 years old because even though many couldn't even balance their check books, they were deemed bright enough to choose their next leader.
The voting age was lowered because it was decided that if they were old enough to join the military and possibly die, then they should be given the right to choose their leader.
The whole citizenship thing is no different to me. They face potential death or worse yet, maimed for life and scared both emotionally and physically. So why not make it easier for those that are fighting for this country to get citizenship of the country.
I don't see it as selling citizenship but rather a bonus. Just like the GI bill and just like when I get a bonus from work.
The voting age was lowered because it was decided that if they were old enough to join the military and possibly die, then they should be given the right to choose their leader.
The whole citizenship thing is no different to me. They face potential death or worse yet, maimed for life and scared both emotionally and physically. So why not make it easier for those that are fighting for this country to get citizenship of the country.
I don't see it as selling citizenship but rather a bonus. Just like the GI bill and just like when I get a bonus from work.
More a battle of wordplay than anything else though.
As for voting that has changed considerably because that was something that was earned. It used to be you had to be a landowner in order to vote not just over 18. This was changed many years later to an age related benefit.
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I am trading one thing for another which makes it a barter or a trade which in all justification amounts to a sale of sorts.
More a battle of wordplay than anything else though.
As for voting that has changed considerably because that was something that was earned. It used to be you had to be a landowner in order to vote not just over 18. This was changed many years later to an age related benefit.
More a battle of wordplay than anything else though.
As for voting that has changed considerably because that was something that was earned. It used to be you had to be a landowner in order to vote not just over 18. This was changed many years later to an age related benefit.
this is what i disagree with, such broad generalization shouldn't be used on something like this.
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I figured since you are signing up with the intention and knowledge that in "x" years you will be granted full citizenship in exchange for your service, that it then amounts to not much more than a sales of services agreement.
Not sure I exactly disagree with the idea but also not so sure I agree with the idea either.
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