Study: Prayer doesn't affect heart patients
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Originally Posted by tegbooster
generally when scientific research is done... someone has to pay for it. If the researchers were smart... they would tweak and play with the results as much as they could so they could continue to have the money just roll in.
The work, which followed about 1,800 patients at six medical centers, was financed by the Templeton Foundation, which supports research into science and religion.
The John Templeton Foundation was established in 1987 by renowned international investor, Sir John Templeton, to encourage a fresh appreciation of the critical importance — for all peoples and cultures — of the moral and spiritual dimensions of life. The Templeton Foundation seeks to act as a critical catalyst for progress, especially by supporting studies which demonstrate the benefits of an open, humble and progressive approach to learning in these areas. It is the Foundation's purpose to stimulate a high standard of excellence in scholarly understanding which can serve to encourage further worldwide explorations of the moral and spiritual dimensions of the Universe and of the human potential within its ultimate purpose.
A quote from the founder of the Foundation:
"None of us has ever understood even one percent of the reality of God, the infinity, the eternity of God. All that we have learned is still tiny compared to what is still yet to be discovered if we search for it."
Yep these guys sure do hate god and all religious people. :run:
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i agree with you ^... i was pretty much just stating that MOST, if not all research is biased... in this case.... it honestly seems like its some waste of money thing.
you also have to think.. the templeton foundation... are they government funded? is the guy just plain rich? do they sell drugs?... where does their money come from?
you also have to think.. the templeton foundation... are they government funded? is the guy just plain rich? do they sell drugs?... where does their money come from?
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Originally Posted by qtiger
Yep these guys sure do hate god and all religious people. :run:
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Originally Posted by 95SiR
twist my words however you want... but i never, and i dont think anyone in this thread so far, has stated that this research was done specifically for the purpose of discrediting religion/God/etc.
and as ive stated, im no PRO-religion neither am i anti-religious beliefs. This research to me is just pointless.
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Originally Posted by RicoD
no, it was done to see if religious beliefs have anything to do with peoples recovery towards illness and overall health recovery. which is, in reality, cannot truly be proven. Since a handful of people have recovered from illnesses that have been thought to be uncurable and vise versa... this research has no point. You cant test, 10,000 people +/- and whatever the majority result of it is, is the general fact to things such as religion and beliefs and its effects. there are waaay too many variables and factors.
and as ive stated, im no PRO-religion neither am i anti-religious beliefs. This research to me is just pointless.
and as ive stated, im no PRO-religion neither am i anti-religious beliefs. This research to me is just pointless.
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Originally Posted by 95SiR
twist my words however you want... but i never, and i dont think anyone in this thread so far, has stated that this research was done specifically for the purpose of discrediting religion/God/etc.
Except for all of the following quotes, no one has implied there was an agenda to this research.
Originally Posted by ISP James
probably true. what are they hoping to accomplish with this survey.
1. do they expect people to stop praying?
2. does it hurt them or otherwise hinder their quality of life when people pray?
3. don't they have something better to do?
what a bunch of bullshit, let people worship as they please. they arent hurting anybody
1. do they expect people to stop praying?
2. does it hurt them or otherwise hinder their quality of life when people pray?
3. don't they have something better to do?
what a bunch of bullshit, let people worship as they please. they arent hurting anybody
Originally Posted by reno96teg
what a load of shit..
like it's a fucking problem if people have faith.. why even bother with such a bullshit study, except to push some kind of fucked up agenda?
like it's a fucking problem if people have faith.. why even bother with such a bullshit study, except to push some kind of fucked up agenda?
Originally Posted by 95SiR
yeah and did you read my response? who the f*ck is Dr. Herbert Benson??? just cuz he's a doctor at Harvard, his word is fact? his motives are fact?
Originally Posted by reno96teg
exactly, and especially this coming from someone at harvard, which is in cambridge, which is in MA.
so let's see, one of the most liberal schools, in one of the most liberal cities, in one of the most liberal states... yeah.
so let's see, one of the most liberal schools, in one of the most liberal cities, in one of the most liberal states... yeah.
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Originally Posted by qtiger
Except for all of the following quotes, no one has implied there was an agenda to this research.
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Originally Posted by 95SiR
i questioned who this doctor was and the purpose of the research, because to me, thats just as important as the results following the research.
By questioning purpose you are saying that you don't think the purpose was to purely to advance scientific knowledge which implies an agenda/bias to the research.
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Originally Posted by qtiger
By questioning purpose you are saying that you don't think the purpose was to purely to advance scientific knowledge which implies an agenda/bias to the research.
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Originally Posted by tegbooster
could you elaborate on this.... im just confused about a couple parts.
"praying to the wrong person?" are you stating that if someone says jesus and the other prays to god... then they are different people
also you said that "praying to God" does that mean that prayers within other religions wouldn't work.... but prayers to this mystical being you call "god" will work?
i have no problems with your beliefs i am just trying to understand you better
"praying to the wrong person?" are you stating that if someone says jesus and the other prays to god... then they are different people
also you said that "praying to God" does that mean that prayers within other religions wouldn't work.... but prayers to this mystical being you call "god" will work?
i have no problems with your beliefs i am just trying to understand you better