Study: Prayer doesn't affect heart patients
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Originally Posted by 95SiR
yeah and did you read my response? who the f*ck is Dr. Herbert Benson??? just cuz he's a doctor at Harvard, his word is fact? his motives are fact? 
so let's see, one of the most liberal schools, in one of the most liberal cities, in one of the most liberal states... yeah.
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Originally Posted by reno96teg
what a load of shit..
like it's a fucking problem if people have faith.. why even bother with such a bullshit study, except to push some kind of fucked up agenda?
like it's a fucking problem if people have faith.. why even bother with such a bullshit study, except to push some kind of fucked up agenda?
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Originally Posted by worm696
They are most likely praying to the wrong person! If a person has the Lord Jesus Christ in his/her heart and another believer is praying for him/her heart patient, to God, then yes, it will help. I am a Christian and of course, this is what I believe.
"praying to the wrong person?" are you stating that if someone says jesus and the other prays to god... then they are different people
also you said that "praying to God" does that mean that prayers within other religions wouldn't work.... but prayers to this mystical being you call "god" will work?
i have no problems with your beliefs i am just trying to understand you better
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Originally Posted by tegbooster
[religious flamesuit]
there is a psychological reason as to why people would recover slower and suffer from more complications when they are heavily religious and know they are being prayed for. Many people in the unconcious are always fighting some sort of battle. And in the patients case, it would be battle with recovering from heart surgery. They will give up on the battle because their maker would be there for them to fix it...
[/religious flamesuit].. just a thought :dunno:
there is a psychological reason as to why people would recover slower and suffer from more complications when they are heavily religious and know they are being prayed for. Many people in the unconcious are always fighting some sort of battle. And in the patients case, it would be battle with recovering from heart surgery. They will give up on the battle because their maker would be there for them to fix it...
[/religious flamesuit].. just a thought :dunno:
i was trying to stay out of this discussion. but since i've been in this situation and no one commenting here has been i thought i'd give my 2 cents.
im with what this guy said, but i believe the reason they didnt do so well is cause they maybe gave up because they had people praying for them.
for me i had lots of different churches praying for my recovery, and i also had alot of faith i would get better. and alot of will power to keep going on everyday knowing i would get better. and so far i've come a long way, shit for a while there i thought i would never go back to mynornal life style, and so far i have for the most part. i stopped using the wheelchair, my strength is up alot! and im going out when ever i can sure im not 100% back but i have faith in God that one day i will.
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Originally Posted by lil_1_2002
i was trying to stay out of this discussion. but since i've been in this situation and no one commenting here has been i thought i'd give my 2 cents.
im with what this guy said, but i believe the reason they didnt do so well is cause they maybe gave up because they had people praying for them.
for me i had lots of different churches praying for my recovery, and i also had alot of faith i would get better. and alot of will power to keep going on everyday knowing i would get better. and so far i've come a long way, shit for a while there i thought i would never go back to mynornal life style, and so far i have for the most part. i stopped using the wheelchair, my strength is up alot! and im going out when ever i can sure im not 100% back but i have faith in God that one day i will.
im with what this guy said, but i believe the reason they didnt do so well is cause they maybe gave up because they had people praying for them.
for me i had lots of different churches praying for my recovery, and i also had alot of faith i would get better. and alot of will power to keep going on everyday knowing i would get better. and so far i've come a long way, shit for a while there i thought i would never go back to mynornal life style, and so far i have for the most part. i stopped using the wheelchair, my strength is up alot! and im going out when ever i can sure im not 100% back but i have faith in God that one day i will.
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Originally Posted by 95SiR
yeah and did you read my response? who the f*ck is Dr. Herbert Benson??? just cuz he's a doctor at Harvard, his word is fact? his motives are fact?
So with that logic, we can easily discredit any religion and/or god. Just find one thing that they state as fact and all we have to do is not like it.
Who the fuck is Moses? Just because he chisled some stones we are to take that as fact?
Basically what it boils down to is the same age old arguement, taking faith and unproven facts as the way things are and not believing things even when they are layed out right in front of you.
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Originally Posted by lil_1_2002
i was trying to stay out of this discussion. but since i've been in this situation and no one commenting here has been i thought i'd give my 2 cents.
im with what this guy said, but i believe the reason they didnt do so well is cause they maybe gave up because they had people praying for them.
for me i had lots of different churches praying for my recovery, and i also had alot of faith i would get better. and alot of will power to keep going on everyday knowing i would get better. and so far i've come a long way, shit for a while there i thought i would never go back to mynornal life style, and so far i have for the most part. i stopped using the wheelchair, my strength is up alot! and im going out when ever i can sure im not 100% back but i have faith in God that one day i will.
im with what this guy said, but i believe the reason they didnt do so well is cause they maybe gave up because they had people praying for them.
for me i had lots of different churches praying for my recovery, and i also had alot of faith i would get better. and alot of will power to keep going on everyday knowing i would get better. and so far i've come a long way, shit for a while there i thought i would never go back to mynornal life style, and so far i have for the most part. i stopped using the wheelchair, my strength is up alot! and im going out when ever i can sure im not 100% back but i have faith in God that one day i will.
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Originally Posted by RicoD
if u prayed to Zeus, with the same amount of faith, would the outcome still be the same?
if you prayed to akwahoinoise dabi... it would giveyou the same effect as if you prayed to jesus christ...
but the thing is ... where your faith lies, is also probably where you will derive your willpower from. so in a sense it may change it
