didn't you read what i wrote?

YOU were determined to look like what you do as soon as that sperm and egg got together. doesn't that tell you anything?

 

ummm when a sperm and an egg unite that is not a life, it is a cell dividing via mitosis. That determination of what we will look like is in everyone of us, genes/DNA. Now if you think that the sperm/egg unification is alive, then by that thinking.

Everytime we lose skin cells(which contain the same DNA that determines what we will look like) is like killing a life?

Dude I respect your opinion but you need to get your facts straight. An abortion done before the first month is just a termination of the division of cells. I agree though that around the 4th month an abortion would be deemed killing a being.

I'm for Pro-choice up to the first month, after that I dont agree with aborting a fetus.

Stopping the division of cells vs stopping a heart beat are 2 dramatically different things.

 

Pro life unless the girl got raped. Here is why...

That little fetus didn't call you up and say "I want to be here." So since you made the mistake of not being careful you deal with the consequences, and dealing doesn't involve terminating a life. This is the reason I strongly believe parents should raise their kids better. Maybe then every woman wouldn't be spreading her legs everytime someone with 2 legs and a weener walked by. And every guy wouldn't be chasing everything with 2 legs and tits. Its simple if you can't be responsible then don't have sex. No kid ever asks to be born, 2 people make the decision to have that kid so don't go about taking that poor kids life away.

Rape is different so I am not going to talk about it.

~Me

 

Actually you are killing something even if its not the first month. Dead skin like the word says is dead, you don't have a living breathing cell in there. But when a sperm cell and an egg unite you have a living breathing cell there.

But thats getting too extreme.

~Me

 

that wasn't really my point though. i don't think i stated any false facts.

my point is, as soon as the sperm and egg get together, it's determined what you're going to look like, etc. and i'm pretty damned impressed by that.

what that means to me is, from the first millisecond of the process, it's already been decided what you are. if someone comes along and stops that, aren't they stopping a predetermined human being from living.

i'm talking more along the philosophical lines..

 

All cells transfer oxygen that doesnt make red blood cells that die everyday as killing life... And as your comment about dead skin cells being dead... they may be dead but they still contain the blueprint, DNA to theoretically map out the creation of a human, similarly to the fact of the genetic information makeup of a fertilized embryo.

A living "breathing" cell is NOT the same as a living breathing human. Time creates the connection.

And yes we are getting philosophical.. as to what constitutes the meaning of being "Alive".

 

I agree with reno...

But what if you got raped. Doesn't the mother have the right to terminate this life lest she have to live with the visions of the crime for the rest of her life?

Abortion is never clear cut, more often than not people seek it because they have been stupid.

~Me

 

The RBC's that die do it so life moves forward. The body needs an optimum count of everything and thus has to terminate some cells in order to move life onto the next minute. Aborting a day old fetus is still aborting life, you aren't making the cycle move forward.

Next...

~Me

 

Think of it as an assembly line and the fertilized egg as a blueprint of information ready. It begins it's 9 month process to begin getting materials for the building process of creating a "life", but the process itself is not technically "alive" (as the meaning you and I both understand it... breathing free form thinking human being).

So stopping the process is not technically killing the fetus.. because the fact is that the fetus was not formed yet. But all that changes once the fetus is formed..(we could debate this as to what time constitutes a fully formed fetus) and when we terminate the fully formed fetus we are thusly killing life and that I am against.

We could go on about this... back and forth...

good discussion nonetheless

 

It is an assembly line but taking away the first item is in essence taking away the final product. So you are killing life.

Like you said we can go on...

~Me