View Poll Results: should spanking be illegal?
Yes, all forms of corporal punishment should be ILLEGAL.
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No, as long as it's clearly not abuse, it should be LEGAL.
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should spanking be illegal?
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Originally Posted by redgoober4life
No I can assure you it is not fear that motivates us. 
Fear only motivates the stupid and the lazy.
Fear only motivates the stupid and the lazy.Fear keeps you from doing lots of stupid shit, whether you realize it or not.
Why do you not hop around close to the edge of a cliff...for fear of falling off and dieing.
Fear=respect
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And just in general, negative reinforcement only really encouraged people to do enough to not have that consequence happen to them. It doesn't matter if the consequence is no more Barney, no going out on saturday night, or a beating. I think positive reinforcement works a whole lot better. Give the kid something to try and achieve, and a reward if they do so.
Hell, this applies throughout life as well. At my job, I can slack off if I want to, and I'll still get my perfectly reasonable salary. But if I hustle for those 8 hours a day and make a bunch of deals I get thousands of dollars more per month in commission on those deals. I like money, so I do my damndest to book as many deals as I possibly can.
Back to kids. I'm a hands-off type of guy with kids. As far as I'm concerned they can do what they want as long as they're not endangering themselves or others. And once they get even a little past being toddlers, they can take on plenty of decision making for themselves if only given the opportunity. They don't need to be treated like adults, just not like most people treat children.
I don't really expect too many folk to agree with me, it's an unconventional philosophy. Which is why I've said a few times now, if you want to hit your kids, whatever. I'm not going to stop you nor am I going to try. Hopefully I've at least explained my own line of reasoning. If y'all still want to ram it down my throat how I'm wrong, whatever.
Hell, this applies throughout life as well. At my job, I can slack off if I want to, and I'll still get my perfectly reasonable salary. But if I hustle for those 8 hours a day and make a bunch of deals I get thousands of dollars more per month in commission on those deals. I like money, so I do my damndest to book as many deals as I possibly can.
Back to kids. I'm a hands-off type of guy with kids. As far as I'm concerned they can do what they want as long as they're not endangering themselves or others. And once they get even a little past being toddlers, they can take on plenty of decision making for themselves if only given the opportunity. They don't need to be treated like adults, just not like most people treat children.
I don't really expect too many folk to agree with me, it's an unconventional philosophy. Which is why I've said a few times now, if you want to hit your kids, whatever. I'm not going to stop you nor am I going to try. Hopefully I've at least explained my own line of reasoning. If y'all still want to ram it down my throat how I'm wrong, whatever.
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Originally Posted by VRGNCD5
we all have our own opinons. There have been many times I wanted to cuss out my boss, never once did I stop and think "you know what, I can't do that, I get paid to respect this guy and he rewards me for my work".
One time, my boy and I were riding in his Camaro SS and he was getting ready to whip it when I spotted a cop. He didn't do it. Not cause he thought "oh man, if I do this, somebody might die" because nobody was in that area of the parking lot at the time.
There have been many times when I didn't want to send in that rent check, but did anyways, not because I said "this is my reward to myself", but because I said "screw that, I ain't getting kicked out!"
One time, my boy and I were riding in his Camaro SS and he was getting ready to whip it when I spotted a cop. He didn't do it. Not cause he thought "oh man, if I do this, somebody might die" because nobody was in that area of the parking lot at the time.
There have been many times when I didn't want to send in that rent check, but did anyways, not because I said "this is my reward to myself", but because I said "screw that, I ain't getting kicked out!"
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Originally Posted by Darth2000GSR
I think you stretched it with that. It's more like VRGNCD5 said.
Originally Posted by redgoober4life
So what happens, dad, if down the road he's with some friends and they're going to do something bad and you aren't there to scare him?
That's the main problem with this type of treatment--it only works when that person is around.
That's the main problem with this type of treatment--it only works when that person is around.
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It's simply about attitude.
If you're a person of the attitude that you're going to do whatever the f*ck you want unless someone else FORCES you not to, then you might think that other people will be like that too, even your kids.
If you're a person that holds yourself up to a certain set of standards even if nobody is forcing you to so, then you might expect your kids to do the same.
I don't think it's limited to one class or another. It's just attitude.
If you're a person of the attitude that you're going to do whatever the f*ck you want unless someone else FORCES you not to, then you might think that other people will be like that too, even your kids.
If you're a person that holds yourself up to a certain set of standards even if nobody is forcing you to so, then you might expect your kids to do the same.
I don't think it's limited to one class or another. It's just attitude.
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
It's simply about attitude.
If you're a person of the attitude that you're going to do whatever the f*ck you want unless someone else FORCES you not to, then you might think that other people will be like that too, even your kids.
If you're a person that holds yourself up to a certain set of standards even if nobody is forcing you to so, then you might expect your kids to do the same.
I don't think it's limited to one class or another. It's just attitude.
If you're a person of the attitude that you're going to do whatever the f*ck you want unless someone else FORCES you not to, then you might think that other people will be like that too, even your kids.
If you're a person that holds yourself up to a certain set of standards even if nobody is forcing you to so, then you might expect your kids to do the same.
I don't think it's limited to one class or another. It's just attitude.
But a kid has to learn those things aren't right...they can't automatically know unless there are some consequences. You can't say "don't do that 'cause it's not right"...they'll just think "WTF does that mean?".
It's like trying to teach a blind person to differentiate between colors.
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
And just in general, negative reinforcement only really encouraged people to do enough to not have that consequence happen to them. It doesn't matter if the consequence is no more Barney, no going out on saturday night, or a beating. I think positive reinforcement works a whole lot better. Give the kid something to try and achieve, and a reward if they do so.
Hell, this applies throughout life as well. At my job, I can slack off if I want to, and I'll still get my perfectly reasonable salary. But if I hustle for those 8 hours a day and make a bunch of deals I get thousands of dollars more per month in commission on those deals. I like money, so I do my damndest to book as many deals as I possibly can.
Back to kids. I'm a hands-off type of guy with kids. As far as I'm concerned they can do what they want as long as they're not endangering themselves or others. And once they get even a little past being toddlers, they can take on plenty of decision making for themselves if only given the opportunity. They don't need to be treated like adults, just not like most people treat children.
I don't really expect too many folk to agree with me, it's an unconventional philosophy. Which is why I've said a few times now, if you want to hit your kids, whatever. I'm not going to stop you nor am I going to try. Hopefully I've at least explained my own line of reasoning. If y'all still want to ram it down my throat how I'm wrong, whatever.
Hell, this applies throughout life as well. At my job, I can slack off if I want to, and I'll still get my perfectly reasonable salary. But if I hustle for those 8 hours a day and make a bunch of deals I get thousands of dollars more per month in commission on those deals. I like money, so I do my damndest to book as many deals as I possibly can.
Back to kids. I'm a hands-off type of guy with kids. As far as I'm concerned they can do what they want as long as they're not endangering themselves or others. And once they get even a little past being toddlers, they can take on plenty of decision making for themselves if only given the opportunity. They don't need to be treated like adults, just not like most people treat children.
I don't really expect too many folk to agree with me, it's an unconventional philosophy. Which is why I've said a few times now, if you want to hit your kids, whatever. I'm not going to stop you nor am I going to try. Hopefully I've at least explained my own line of reasoning. If y'all still want to ram it down my throat how I'm wrong, whatever.
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Originally Posted by Darth2000GSR
I think it's more a matter of perspective. I don't do those things because I know they're not right, it's just automatic.
But a kid has to learn those things aren't right...they can't automatically know unless there are some consequences. You can't say "don't do that 'cause it's not right"...they'll just think "WTF does that mean?".
It's like trying to teach a blind person to differentiate between colors.
But a kid has to learn those things aren't right...they can't automatically know unless there are some consequences. You can't say "don't do that 'cause it's not right"...they'll just think "WTF does that mean?".
It's like trying to teach a blind person to differentiate between colors.
But I wonder what good spanking a kid that doesn't know right from wrong will do, since they're likely to not be able to associate the spanking with the bad act yet, either. But I'm no child psychologist so I can't say for sure.