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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by qtiger
Untrue. They based an article on a factual item, that a detainee reported to a FBI anterrogator that a Qu'oran had been flushed down a toilet. The record created by that FBI agent is public and you can go read it for yourself.
you mean the FBI report that could not be confirmed which led to the eventual retraction of the original article.



Vastly different. By that logic if I steal a sucker from a little kid I could be charged with murder because suckers are a part of a little kid's life.
your analogy is vastly inaccurate, simply put, bcause our government and it's history is directly responsible for the way of life in the USA

There's been a lot of grumbling of the right about sedition lately, mostly because now they can't convince anyone to ride their little patriotism bandwagon anymore so they're implementing scare tactics. Any charges along these lines would be laughed out of court, you can't limit the freedom of the press to criticise the government.
mostly because it's true. stop making excuses.

This is no different from saying "No news agency should have been allowed to report on 9/11, because it could reduce the American people's faith in the government."
again incorrect... reporting on 9/11 was based on fact. it happened, period. this uncorroborated story based on an unconfirmed report is shaky reporting at best and more likely shady reporting.

Hello, welcome to Soviet Russia. Here's your hat and your vodka.
that seems to be what the left has been working at for years. i fail to see your connection.
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by /^Blackbacca^\
you mean the FBI report that could not be confirmed which led to the eventual retraction of the original article.

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again incorrect... reporting on 9/11 was based on fact. it happened, period. this uncorroborated story based on an unconfirmed report is shaky reporting at best and more likely shady reporting.
That's why Newsweek referred to it as an alleged incident. It's no different than reporting a crime which has not gone to trial or in which a verdict has not been given yet.


The results of any investigation of that FBI report have still not been released by the FBI or the DOD because they're taking their sweet ass time releasing the information under the FOIA. The fact that Newsweek's "source" "could no longer confirm the report" means that what Newsweek really reported from was not an inside source that actually knew anything, but rather someone who probably got a peek of the FOIA stuff before it was actually released. Shakey reporting perhaps, but the fact remains that there have been many reports of abuse or withdrawal of the Qu'oran from prisoners at GTMO coming up in the documents released under FOIA. The DOD would rather not have this information become public because it was expressly ordered that every prisoner at GTMO, regardless of reward level, would have a Qu'oran for their personal use.


In addition, there is a memo from an FBI investigator (not a report from a detainee) which states that DOD interrogators used unlawful/forbidden interrogation procedures, and impersonated FBI interrogators while doing it to cover their own asses. This memo was expressly written to cover the FBI's ass if ever the actions of those DOD guys became public, it's not a report of a report of a report.
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by /^Blackbacca^\
yes but deliberately goung out of your way to undermine your own government, especially in a time of war puts the troops that you say you want to come home so bad in greater harm and IS in fact treason.
You're wrong because you fail to define "undermine." You think that publicly disagreeing and criticizing the President undermines him and therefore the government and is thus treasonous. Fortunately for those of us who enjoy exercising our freedom of speech, the law doesn't allow subjective, vague criteria to decide who is guilty of treason.

I am forced to ask: how does my saying "Impeach that criminal Bush" put the troops in greater danger? (This is a rhetorical question. The answer is, obviously, that it doesn't.)
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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i miss these threads. h:
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Old Jun 3, 2005 | 02:54 AM
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Holy shit?! Get the topic to a hospital!! It's flatlining, charge the panels STAT!

I wish *anyone* in a position to carry out these things would say this. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't, so we may as well make our country a better place and have the world hate us than have them still hate us, but continue in our downward spiral... and France can go straight to hell. At least they're not just pissing us off anymore and now other countries realize they suck, thank you EU charter.
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Old Jun 3, 2005 | 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by benjamin
You're wrong because you fail to define "undermine." You think that publicly disagreeing and criticizing the President undermines him and therefore the government and is thus treasonous. Fortunately for those of us who enjoy exercising our freedom of speech, the law doesn't allow subjective, vague criteria to decide who is guilty of treason.

I am forced to ask: how does my saying "Impeach that criminal Bush" put the troops in greater danger? (This is a rhetorical question. The answer is, obviously, that it doesn't.)
I have defined "undermine". you failed to read it:goodjob:criticism is one thing. knowingly and willingly publishing an article based on unconfirmable information with the intent to outrage the musim population of the world is another. please stop typing when you know not of which you speak.
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