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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by antarius
There's a loss of life from everything on this planet.

Such is life. Kind of "the way it goes."
I know. I'm just saying it's alright to be scared of it.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by antarius
There's a loss of life from everything on this planet.

Such is life. Kind of "the way it goes."
but if there is a way to prevent or put off (until we find other sources of energy) that lost of life wouldnt you take it?
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Tark
but if there is a way to prevent or put off (until we find other sources of energy) that lost of life wouldnt you take it?
There is no way to "prevent" global warming. It occurs naturally, whether or not they prove (which they havn't) that humans are speeding up the process.

I do agree with changing our source of energy, merely for the pollution factor and inefficiency of it, not to mention the fact that someday it won't exist for us to use anymore.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:08 AM
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i agree with you. Global Warming occurs naturally, and even though we might be speeding it up, it'll happen anyway.
Agreed. Gradual climate change does happen. Sudden climate change rarely does not. Do you know how much energy it takes to warm that much water only half a degree C? That's a lot of extra energy that's being trapped on our planet, and if we ignore it, it will only increase more quickly. That is, simply put, bad.

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My data on the 1 degree thing? I don't have a link for you, sorry. It was some television show on the subject, on TLC or The Weather Channel or something like that.

And really, it *doesnt* matter.

Cavemen lived in the ice ages without modern equipment, we can live in a warmer climate w/ our modern equipment, or colder for that matter.

It's really a moot point, not to mention, unproven to be influenced in any major manner by humans.
My favorite part is that your arguement is based on not reading the article I posted, then suggesting you know more than well educated men who have studied fluid dynamics and environmental conditions for most of their professional lives. Please, RTFA

Beyond that, human living conditions were MUCH different then. Population density and resource scarcity was also significantly different, as well as standards of living, life expectancy, and resource usage. Being warmer isn't too bad, until you consider how it will affect rain fall, humidity, vegetation coverage, oceanic behavior, disease transmission, energy costs to cool down, etc etc. The list goes on. Failing to ingore all the effects is like turning a blind eye to reality, and the problem is that your indifference will affect me and everyone else...
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by antarius
There is no way to "prevent" global warming. It occurs naturally, whether or not they prove (which they havn't) that humans are speeding up the process.

Again:
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My favorite part is that your arguement is based on not reading the article I posted, then suggesting you know more than well educated men who have studied fluid dynamics and environmental conditions for most of their professional lives. Please, RTFA
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Epoch
Agreed. Gradual climate change does happen. Sudden climate change rarely does not. Do you know how much energy it takes to warm that much water only half a degree C? That's a lot of extra energy that's being trapped on our planet, and if we ignore it, it will only increase more quickly. That is, simply put, bad.
That's completely wrong. I wish I had an article for you, but only in the past 40,000 years has the temperature stayed relatively stable, before that point it flucuated very quickly and very drastically, quite often.

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My favorite part is that your arguement is based on not reading the article I posted, then suggesting you know more than well educated men who have studied fluid dynamics and environmental conditions for most of their professional lives. Please, RTFA
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Beyond that, human living conditions were MUCH different then. Population density and resource scarcity was also significantly different, as well as standards of living, life expectancy, and resource usage. Being warmer isn't too bad, until you consider how it will affect rain fall, humidity, vegetation coverage, oceanic behavior, disease transmission, energy costs to cool down, etc etc. The list goes on. Failing to ingore all the effects is like turning a blind eye to reality, and the problem is that your indifference will affect me and everyone else...
Yeah, god forbid rainfall increase right? Cause while one area would get flooded and coastal cities would get "destroyed," deserts and other area's that are completely inhospitable right now would be lush and full of water and greenery and nutrients.

You can continue believing in your doomsday scenario brought on by humans though, it's ok.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Epoch
Agreed. Gradual climate change does happen. Sudden climate change rarely does not. Do you know how much energy it takes to warm that much water only half a degree C? That's a lot of extra energy that's being trapped on our planet, and if we ignore it, it will only increase more quickly. That is, simply put, bad.



My favorite part is that your arguement is based on not reading the article I posted, then suggesting you know more than well educated men who have studied fluid dynamics and environmental conditions for most of their professional lives. Please, RTFA

Beyond that, human living conditions were MUCH different then. Population density and resource scarcity was also significantly different, as well as standards of living, life expectancy, and resource usage. Being warmer isn't too bad, until you consider how it will affect rain fall, humidity, vegetation coverage, oceanic behavior, disease transmission, energy costs to cool down, etc etc. The list goes on. Failing to ingore all the effects is like turning a blind eye to reality, and the problem is that your indifference will affect me and everyone else...

not really he is arguing using known research of other educated men/women who also dedicated their lives to the same/similar research.

just because he chooses to believe one side over the other doesn't make him wrong. There still is little proof from either side on how it's going to affect us (this generation).

Also I still stand by what I said in my first post above.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKarMaul
not really he is arguing using known research of other educated men/women who also dedicated their lives to the same/similar research.

just because he chooses to believe one side over the other doesn't make him wrong. There still is little proof from either side on how it's going to affect us (this generation).

Also I still stand by what I said in my first post above.
by the way i think gas prices went up again this week if u haven't filled up recently
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by antarius
There is no way to "prevent" global warming. It occurs naturally, whether or not they prove (which they havn't) that humans are speeding up the process.
Just so i can understand your point of view on this you are saying that there is no reason to reduce greenhouse gas emissions because there is no proof that they cause global warming?
or are you saying that we should still reduce emissions but you do not believe that it causes global warming?

BTW i think we should reduce emission in the developed countries but should not ask the underdeveloped countries to do the same.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthony
by the way i think gas prices went up again this week if u haven't filled up recently

yeah it did

went from $2.03/gal to $2.29/gal but I'll gladly pay it to drive!
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