a ponderworthy thought...
Originally Posted by RB
whatever man, I've done my research, I have credible sources, and I'd rather believe them than some punk telling me that I shouldn't be talking unless I've been on a full time mission 

what you consider credible, and what IS credible, evidently is not the same thing...
Originally Posted by Tirod
this thread was not created that way.. sorry
beliefs are beliefs, doctrine is doctrine, i speaking beliefs
beliefs are beliefs, doctrine is doctrine, i speaking beliefs

Originally Posted by EliteBob13
No problem. But given your passion for your religious beliefs(which I find quite admirable and commendable for having such a strong faith) I doubt that this is your first experience with adversity to your beliefs. Anytime you bring up religion you are going to get responses you don't like/agree with. But you know that already don't you?
i had questions, very anti-mormon beliefs leading to those questions, but through meaningful prayer, ive had the answers presented to me
Originally Posted by Tirod
of course, a month ago i was the one doing it.... ive been fortunate enough to have been placed in front of the right people, to whom i am very thankful.
i had questions, very anti-mormon beliefs leading to those questions, but through meaningful prayer, ive had the answers presented to me
i had questions, very anti-mormon beliefs leading to those questions, but through meaningful prayer, ive had the answers presented to me
I am still looking for answers, prayer has never worked for me so I find solice in Morgan Cokes and women's beds. Those are the best answers I have found to date.
Originally Posted by Tirod
omg dude, your so pathetic, when the hell did i say you had to serve a mission?? pls, putting words in my mouth is not the way to discuss this...
what you consider credible, and what IS credible, evidently is not the same thing...
what you consider credible, and what IS credible, evidently is not the same thing...
Originally Posted by Tirod
... then take it upon yourself to inquire amongst the right people, those serving full time missions... if you dont, you really shouldnt be talking...
You want sources?
IN MORMONISM THERE ARE MANY GODS
"In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it....In all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods." -Joseph Smith, (Founder and First Prophet), History of the Church, Vol 6, pp. 308,474.
MORMONISM'S GOD WAS ONCE A MAN
"God himself was one as we are now, and is an exalted man...I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form...like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man...He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth." -Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 305.
MORMONISM'S GOD IS LIMITED
"The universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain him as such...if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or "sense of justice" of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the "power" of God would disintegrateóHe would cease to be God."
- W. Cleon Skousen (Former BYU Professor & founder of Mormon-based National Center For Constitutional Studies), The First 2000 Years , p. 355.
"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as mans,"- Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22.
"If God possesses a form, that form is of necessity of definite proportions, and therefore of limited extension and space. It is impossible for Him to occupy at one time more than one space of such limits."- James E. Talmage, Articles of Faith, page 43.
MORMONISM SAYS MAN MAY BECOME GOD
"Here then is eternal life...to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you...To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God." -Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol 6, page 306.
MORMONS SAY GOD WAS MARRIED
"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers...Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father." -McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 547, 742.
AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE DENIED
"Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errorsómany plain and precious things were deleted, in consequence of which error and falsehood poured into the churches. One of the great heresies of modern Christendom is the unfounded assumption that the Bible contains all of the inspired teachings now extant among men."-McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 82,83.
JOSEPH'S ARROGANCE
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet." -Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol 6, pp.408,409).
LDS PERFORM RESURRECTIONS
[i"If we ask who will stand at the head of the resurrection in this last dispensation, the answer isóJoseph Smith, Junior, the Prophet of God. He is the man who will be resurrected and receive the keys of the resurrection, and he will seal this authority upon others, and they will hunt up their friends and resurrect them."[/i] -Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 116.
SUN & MOON INHABITED
"Nearly all the great discoveries of men in the last half century have, in one way or another... contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a prophet. As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we doóthat they live generally to near the age of a 1000 years, He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style."- O. B. Huntington, Young Women's Journal, Vol. 3, p. 264, 1892
"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?... So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it" -B. Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 271
TOTAL PERFECTION DEMANDED
"We also have to forsake the sin and never repeat it, not even in our minds...In order to remain forgiven, we must never commit the sin again." - Uniform System for Teaching Families, pp.35,36
"In other words, If there is one divine law that he does not keep he is barred from participating in the Kingdom, and figuratively guilty of all, since he is denied all." -Joseph Fielding Smith (Prophet), Answers to Gospel Questions, Vol.3, p. 26.
Originally Posted by RB
so if I don't talk to mormons, aka: those who just want to brainwash me into believing in LDS, I don't know the truth? yeah right.
You want sources?
You want sources?
and W. Cleon Skousen is the grandfather of a girl standing right next to me here at work :chuckles:
Originally Posted by Tirod
wow.... whoever would quote such prominent members and a prophet of the church falsely... just wow..
and W. Cleon Skousen is the grandfather of a girl standing right next to me here at work :chuckles:
and W. Cleon Skousen is the grandfather of a girl standing right next to me here at work :chuckles:
I wish we had the jerkit smiley still

I'm done here...since you obviously know every article every published by the mormon church, I MUST be wrong.
Originally Posted by Tirod
wow.... whoever would quote such prominent members and a prophet of the church falsely... just wow..
and W. Cleon Skousen is the grandfather of a girl standing right next to me here at work :chuckles:
and W. Cleon Skousen is the grandfather of a girl standing right next to me here at work :chuckles:
you get the point.
BTW your not going to heaven according to your own doctrines anyways...premarital sex :nono:
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