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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by asiandoood
...and then there's the part where Smith says:


"wait...i've seen this before..... ....for every beginning...there is an end"



...what has he seen before?....the past 5 battles with neo?

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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by dubster99
That could be the little girl...or it could be the other kid.
if you remember the room of the architect, on the tv screens are what some take as being the earlier versions of neo. and they all looked the same. so if you go by that, then it can't be either of them.


Originally posted by Doc Gyneco
What if the Matrix is a system created to allow humans and machines to live in symbiose. After all, machines need the humans' energy and humans would hardly be able to live in the real life environment.
humans can live in the real life environment. they already do in zion.


Originally posted by asiandoood
...and then there's the part where Smith says:

"wait...i've seen this before..... ....for every beginning...there is an end"

...what has he seen before?....the past 5 battles with neo?
it's possible that he saw it before it happened, especially since the oracle was in him. it seemed like she took over to say that anyway. so maybe it was something she had seen, or had showed him.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 02:26 PM
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smith and neo were similar maybe he was having dreams also. or maybe just a good old fashioned "glitch" in the matrix.


as for agent 87 its new background characters in a control room that wasnt destroyed like the zion central control room.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by flipped cracker
humans can live in the real life environment. they already do in zion
No, they survive. Quite a whole of a difference.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 03:37 PM
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It was somewhat unanswered at the end.
I think there will be a truce until Neo dies because it looks like machines put up their best effort to wipe out humanity but Neo stopped them. Neo seems to control both the machines and humanity. I guess they figure its not worth trying again because Neo will just do the same thing. But it is possible for Neo to live forever if he exists in the Matrix. The architect said he will free whoever wants to be freed. I think this means that any human who is not totally reliant on the Matrix to live will be unplugged and anyone whoever cannot be unplugged will stay. If Neo can live forever and controls the machine once the generation of Matrix relaint people is gone the Matrix can be destroyed or vastly reduced. So in this way humanity will eventually regain control and reclaim Earth.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Morpheus 6
It was somewhat unanswered at the end.
I think there will be a truce until Neo dies because it looks like machines put up their best effort to wipe out humanity but Neo stopped them. Neo seems to control both the machines and humanity. I guess they figure its not worth trying again because Neo will just do the same thing. But it is possible for Neo to live forever if he exists in the Matrix. The architect said he will free whoever wants to be freed. I think this means that any human who is not totally reliant on the Matrix to live will be unplugged and anyone whoever cannot be unplugged will stay. If Neo can live forever and controls the machine once the generation of Matrix relaint people is gone the Matrix can be destroyed or vastly reduced. So in this way humanity will eventually regain control and reclaim Earth.
neo is dead. he is not in the matrix. the mind cannot live without the body. no more neo.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 05:13 PM
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for all those who think its unanswered, or weren't fulfilled, its merely because you don't fully understand it. The full review below was by a guy on G2ic, so I'm not trying to steal anything...

Here you guys go that hate the Matrix:

Zion is real! The Matrix is not.

The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose.

The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again) but humans did not accept it as real so they just kept waking up. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).

The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again.

The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely (see part I where he is freaking out while interrogating Morpheous) and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus.

The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed. Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program. Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love.

Onto Revolutions:

Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened by Smith's behavior, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the HOPE that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.

Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for PEACE as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system.

At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline - "Everything that has a beginning has an end," as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself. The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh?

For those that like to dig deeper, than note the biblical references throughout the series. Heck, the French Man (Merovigchian) is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect represents God - i.e. the creator of the world and its destroyer whenever things don't go as he wants. He even has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the conciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 05:17 PM
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I've drawn some conclusions of my own after just watching Reloaded over again, but time does not allow me to share them at this moment.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 07:13 PM
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It justifies the movie but not the ending though.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 09:05 PM
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some of the stuff RB quoted isn't right (atleast in my mind).

i don't think smith replicating ever happened before because he said (in reloaded) "everything is happening just as before" and then another smith comes up and says "well, not exactly like before" or whatever. that leads me to believe there weren't multiple smiths before.

and i don't see The One as being a program.
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