Nice points man you're an idiot... Let it go i think the general population in Canada will support this new tax and agrees that the benefits surpassses the negative effects of it.

 

The general population of Canada is pretty fucking retarded already if they support your health care system and your extensive social welfare system. I doubt most Canadians have a firm grasp on economics and the benefits of laissez-faire and a free market economy. It's not the general population who makes these decisions anyway, it's the politicians.

My argument is that there aren't going to be any tangible benefits, except at most (and this is a very, very lenient estimate imagining that all SUVs are taken off the road for cars) a 1% reduction in greenhouse gases. You haven't shown me otherwise. I don't get it.

 

There you go again bashing Canada... fucking retard. you can't even make a real argument all you do is bash Canada. nice going...

I also see you are a expert on the subject i see... yet you do what for a living?

 

tark, what does someones profession have to do with the knowledge they carry on subjects?

i know people who have jobs they dont know shit in, theres topics that have no correlation to my daily jobs and i consider myself well versed on the subjects.

not starting an argument here, just curious as to how someones job has an direct correlation do knowledge of other subjects

 

well the guy pretends to be able to predict that the reduction of emission would be at most 1%. He calculation are totally off, and he is not taking everything in consideration. Give me a break anyone can pull numbers out of there ass like that.

 

Uh, I take college classes 22 weeks a year working on my mechanical engineering degree with a management/econ minor and work as an engineer 26 weeks a year. Which qualifies me to speak on economics

Why don't you try either responding to my actual points or shutting up? I've made several valid points and you refuse to recognize or respond to them because you don't have shit to say. All you do is freaking whine man. I don't wet my pants everytime someone bashes America.

 

legit on that part...granted he was just making an obvious assumption


i was thinking you were refering more towards his free market / econ comments

 

Let's see YOUR ESTIMATES or the GOVERNMENT'S ESTIMATES then. How did I pull it out of my ass? I clearly showed where it came from. I'll go over it again because you were too dumb to get it the first time.

Hahaha, I found an even better number that totally disproves this.

http://autos.canada.com/news/story.h...0-274a94801afe

"Only 11,888 consumers bought a big SUV in Canada last year, representing less than 1 per cent of 1.3 million vehicles sold."

I estimated 10%. See, my calculation was way in your favor. Instead of just shutting up, you had to make me find facts.

I already showed you that cars account for 18% of all canadian greenhouse gas emissions

1% of 18% is .18%. If you converted those into cars which are about 33% more efficient (20v30MPG), you're looking at about a .12% reduction in greenhouse emissions. At the expense of consumer freedom.

Like I said, this bill won't make a damn bit of difference and way passed just to make political headlines. That's all.

What am I not taking into consideration that would considerably change this number? Please explain, you're obviously smarter than I am.

 

1- you are only taking 1 year of sale of SUV not a sampling... for exemple in 2004 SUV counted as 18% of all vehicules sold in Canada. it'a a cycle dumbfuck Source

2- you are not counting the incentive plan given to the people to buy more fuel effecient care. you are only looking at the additionnal taxe and not the 2000$ given to the hybrid buyers out there.

3- you are not taking in consideration the high consumption cars such as Mini vans, sports car, luxury V12 cars ect...


Which bring me to my next question do we already know what cars will be taxed? what is the limit before a car gets taxed for next year?

 

Why would SUV sales possibly increase with rising gas prices? Use common sense please.

No, I'm not. So let's say everyone that would have bought an SUV buys a hybrid...how much greenhouse gases are we saving? Not very much dude. Maybe 50% more than the amount I estimated if a hybrid is 50% more efficient, which it's really not.

that's true, but likely the tax won't be very high (if at all) on minivans because they're a necessity for many people. also, very few sports cars and luxury cars are sold.

no, i was just estimating the effect of replacing all SUVs with cars, which is a crazy and unrealistic notion. it's a ""best case"" scenario, and it still doesn't really do much.