so what do we do with Iran?...they are a known supporter of terrorism...they have WMD...they were involved with 9/11 (have al qaeda elements operating under their protection)...this is all the criteria we needed to go after Iraq...now do we invade them too?

the French are well...French...they lead at nothing but instigating quarrels...their opinion is limited and often hedged as they will never really stick their heads out...so best result is to ignore them just like the British normally do

 

Unfortunately there is not going to be much support at this time for any military action against Iran, and because Russia and China are such large bed-fellows with the Iranians action in the Security Council is going to be next to nothing. We need to build a much stronger case for a military action against Iran as that will be the only way to make them stop their enrichment. Israel cannot do it alone as they did against the Osirik nuclear reactor in Iraq, so there needs to be some other strong link to terrorism, a terrorist attack, or something to justify the use of force.

I have no faith in diplomacy. Call me a defeatist on that one because I am. The only thing diplomacy will do is buy Iran enough time to create a nuclear bomb or weapon. And for Iran they would only need enough for a dirty bomb before they send it to Israel in a suicide vest. Only then would the world support military action. It is pretty sad that time and time again we must wait for a horrific act for the world to do something. Before WW2 Hitler was given all the chances possible and the world looked the other way as he annexed Austria, invaded Poland & the Suddetenland, and put restrictions on Jews. Now you have a similar tyrant and the world (Europeans especially) want to talk to him. History repeats itself...I hope it is not the case here.

 

but Iran is not run by a tyrant...the population hates america as a common belief and is one of the main reasons why a hard liner was elected

there's only one way to get rid of islamic terrorists...and that is not invading countries and setting up governments that will be tainted no matter the progress

it's the american way to think we are the world's savior (as in God and Christianity) and police force...what we don't realize is our involvement often makes them resent more and they terrorize us to make their point...we also don't understand that if we align God with America it makes them hate us even more and makes cause for a Holy War

 

What defines a tyrant to you? Anyone that denies the holocaust and open talks about the destruction of the Jewish state and Jews in general sure sounds like a tyrant to me.

Islamic terrorism has long been around and was previously (prior to 9/11) considered a law enforcement activity. That obviously did not work so now we are trying a new approach, and to me, has so far worked pretty well.

No matter what we do, short of converting everyone to Islam, we will be hated and considered infidels to terrorists and Islamic extremists. If we were a completely secular society they would hate us for not having faith in God, if we were a 100% Christian nation they would hate us for worshipping Gold differently, but they also hate us for our religous tollerance, tollerance of alternative lifestyles, equal treatment of women, etc.

If you look at the US we have fringe wacko groups on both sides...yet most are not militant in their extremism. Sure we have the ELF on the left and McVeigh on the right but those are more isloated incidents and not part of a larger movement. Islamic radicals are never going to come to a table and negotiate a peace, they never have and never will. Law enforcement and placating them in the past has not work...maybe killing every last one of them and pacifying the rest will.

 

tyrant:
Etymology: Middle English tirant, from Old French tyran, tyrant, from Latin tyrannus, from Greek tyrannos
1 a : an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution b : a usurper of sovereignty
2 a : a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally b : one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power

that is the dictionary definition...however, how is IRAN who's majority of the population agree with their leader to destroy Isreal make him a tyrant??? Iran is not the only nation that wants to destroy Isreal and it's not just the leaders conviction...it's the people of that country

i don't understand why you focus solely on the heads of state and leadership rather than the people they rule...you can always kick out the head guys...it's the millions of the population that are the biggest problem to your plans...and in Iraq, Iran and many a muslim country we are "evil" and will never be looked at otherwise...when we force them with military might it only invokes them to further hate us...now Iraqi's are signing up to get back at us in droves and it will only get worse

simply put this is the only way we can eliminate the islamic terrorists...that is kill them all and let Allah or God sort them out...however if this is not what Hitler envisioned i don't know what is

my point all along has been leave the middle east alone...it was stable but neither country ever trusted each other...Israel was born in controversy and the hate runs deep...as we have kept on meddling in the middle east it has only made our situation worse and made us the target we are today...recall we used to provide support to Osama in the 80s during the russian occupation of afghanistan and he had contacts with high level gov't until we pulled all support and interfered with his plans...what really upset him was the Saudi gov't preferred US intervention for Desert Storm rather than Osama's legion of mujahideen fresh off of Russia's recent withdrawal from afghanistan...the US all of a sudden was given military base approvals in the middle east including access to the 2 holiest muslim cities

we in fact helped Saddam come to power as he was a thorn in Iran and Russias side...we supported his rise to power to counter Iran's might (they were larger population) and control the influence of communism in the middle east...Saddam was even given a UNESCO award by the United Nations and the US!...it wasn't until he had a complete grip on power in Iraq did we find out how ruthless he was in his quest for power...we started a coup de etat which failed and supported rival factions in Iraq to usurp his power but all failed...we became the biggest enemy as much as Israel and Iran in his and the Iraqis' eyes

 

we are both arguing the same point...we can't change the minds of the general population of the middle east...they will always hate us no matter what we do..however, before america was just a distant infidel...now we are an infidel that they see every day and hate even more...our presence just insights them to the next level

now why are we there?...the people?...wmd?...it's all a complete lop of crap and lies...we are there for oil and our gov't lies about our intentions

how can you trust them then?...well you can't until we have a major shaking up of our entire political system and make them accountable

clinton get's blowjobs in the white house and lies to protect his infidelity then pardons half the white collar criminals to make more friends for his post presidential plans...dubya lies to us to finish what his daddy started and enrich his cronie friends...our political system if flawed and ruining our country...our only great strength is that we as a people function well without real leadership

 

mannn....I'm glad that I no longer consider myself a republican. Don't get me wrong, I'm nothing close to a democrat either. but the guy who was talking about cnn trying to make the president look stupid...the president doesn't need any help from cnn to look that way. He is stupid. I didnt change my political beliefs because I'm muslim. In fact, I was in the small minority of muslims that originally supported going into iraq. Even though no wmd's were found, I still have no problems being in Iraq. My main problems are domestic problems. I'm tired of only hearing about international issues when the president speaks. Even though I have nothing to hide, I still have big issues with these wiretaps. It's like dominos...one day we won't have any civil liberties. As a muslim, I can appreciate all the freedoms this country provides..but I only wonder how long that will last.

 

i'd be more worried that you'd have to convert to christian to ever be accepted in this country if our gov't keeps mixing religion into itself

 

yeah, well I was born here and do love the U.S. but many people have left their home country for religious freedom. I wouldn't be the first if that was to happen.

 

Do you consider waterboarding torture? We've been doing that.