we are both arguing the same point...we can't change the minds of the general population of the middle east...they will always hate us no matter what we do..however, before america was just a distant infidel...now we are an infidel that they see every day and hate even more...our presence just insights them to the next level

now why are we there?...the people?...wmd?...it's all a complete lop of crap and lies...we are there for oil and our gov't lies about our intentions

how can you trust them then?...well you can't until we have a major shaking up of our entire political system and make them accountable

clinton get's blowjobs in the white house and lies to protect his infidelity then pardons half the white collar criminals to make more friends for his post presidential plans...dubya lies to us to finish what his daddy started and enrich his cronie friends...our political system if flawed and ruining our country...our only great strength is that we as a people function well without real leadership