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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by asianautica
If Hondda do decide to not kill off the S2k, I can probably see them using a highly tuned K20 or even a K22. Even a mildly tuned K20 can put out similar to the S2k H20 already. The K20 has so much more potential. If they bring the K20/22 to the level of tune of the current H20/22, I can see them getting around 260-280HP. That would be plenty sufficient if they keep the weight where it is or even take off some weight.
It also turns the wrong way and I don't think it fits too well in a longitudinal direction. A new transmission needs to be designed as well. It wouldn't be that simple to stick in a K20 or K24. Also, I find it difficult to imagine a 4 cylinder engine that will put out 260-280 HP that either doesn't have forced induction or doesn't idle like crap.

Anyways, the Integra/RSX was always kind of the oddball of the Acura line, being more like a Honda than an Acura. Would the RSX fit into the Honda line to fill the low end sports car void left by the Prelude?
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 01:45 PM
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I would like to see the TSX coupe, basically a Prelube but with 2k worth of interior upgrade over the current TSX. The coupe should be more expensive than the sedan.
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 02:42 PM
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the f series in the s2k has more in common with the hseries than it does the f-series as we know them... it is based off of a hybrid of the two used in the accord-r in some markets called the f20b.

the feel that the SI will be upgraded as the rsx fades out and that a CRX will take the place of the previous si and the si the place of the previous rsx.

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and the work to be done to the k series would be the same ammount of work that was needed to be done to the h or f series to get it to work in a RWD platform... i dont see it as an entirely huge problem, just and engineering chalenge they will enevitably have to take to upgrade the s2k.
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by whatever7
I would like to see the TSX coupe, basically a Prelube but with 2k worth of interior upgrade over the current TSX. The coupe should be more expensive than the sedan.
wouldn't you want a coupe to be more performance oriented, rather than more luxury oriented than its sedan counterpart? given the right performance enhancements over the sedan, a higher price tag would be acceptable. but i don't know why i'd want to buy a coupe because it's a little nicer inside and costs $2k more ($2000 worth of interior enhancements alone is going to be hard to justify).
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sherwood
and the work to be done to the k series would be the same ammount of work that was needed to be done to the h or f series to get it to work in a RWD platform... i dont see it as an entirely huge problem, just and engineering chalenge they will enevitably have to take to upgrade the s2k.
Except there exists an F series engine that works for an RWD platform, especially when you don't gain power or displacement from the K series. It makes no financial sense to develop a RWD K series derivative.
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Kestrel
Except there exists an F series engine that works for an RWD platform, especially when you don't gain power or displacement from the K series. It makes no financial sense to develop a RWD K series derivative.
S2000 is the only FR platform from Honda, so what other RWD Honda was the F series engine in? Why can't you gain power or displacement from the K series? Just look at aftermarket and you can really see how much more potential the K has compare to the F. I/H/E in the current S2k barely gain anything. But I/H/E in a RSX-s put you near 200WHP already. If they tune the K20 to the level of tune of the current S2k, I'm sure they can get 210-220WHP easily. That puts it around 250-260Hp already. 210-220WHP is not hard at all to obtain from the K20.
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 04:51 PM
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truth be told i'd wish they would create a new 2.4 liter engine with a square rod/stroke ratio.... but it makes more economic sense to create a k series derivitive.


and the RWD f came out of neccesity.. it's technology is stuck back in the 80's for christ sake.
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sherwood
truth be told i'd wish they would create a new 2.4 liter engine with a square rod/stroke ratio.... but it makes more economic sense to create a k series derivitive.


and the RWD f came out of neccesity.. it's technology is stuck back in the 80's for christ sake.
I think 2.0L is the optimal displacement for a I4. 3.0L for a V6. When you increase the displacement anymore than that, you tend to lose revs. So I don't think a 2.4L I4, even if it has a square bore/stroke ratio will be able to rev very high safely. Also, a square 2.4L I4 would make the bore too big, which either weaken the cylinder or make the engine too big. It will also make the piston too heavy to rev as quickly.
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by asianautica
I think 2.0L is the optimal displacement for a I4. 3.0L for a V6. When you increase the displacement anymore than that, you tend to lose revs. So I don't think a 2.4L I4, even if it has a square bore/stroke ratio will be able to rev very high safely. Also, a square 2.4L I4 would make the bore too big, which either weaken the cylinder or make the engine too big. It will also make the piston too heavy to rev as quickly.
wellt hen they might put a v6 in the next s2k, who knows.. the bottom line i'm concerned abotu is they need much higher torque numbers for the general public to enjoy the car
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sherwood
wellt hen they might put a v6 in the next s2k, who knows.. the bottom line i'm concerned abotu is they need much higher torque numbers for the general public to enjoy the car
I agree, that's the only thing people ever complain about the S2k. Even a small highly tuned V6, say 3.0L or less would be perfect. Maybe they can make a coupe too to offset some of the developement cost.
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