I often see you people talking about how fast the car run, early 14s or what end 13s . i understand its the timing. but what timing is that for? ? ? 0-60 mph ? ? ? ? or wad ? ? ? ? Sorry to ask this really stupid question but i really dunnoe

And another question . . i've got a friend with a Spoon B18C engine that produce 250 BHP(by the way, WHP = Wheel HP, BHP = ??? HP) . . Issit easy to built a B20 NA CRVtec engine to produce more power then his ? ? ? His car is very hard core in weight reduction . . he got everything out and what ever he can replace, he replaced it with Carbon Fiber parts. Roughly what kind of timing can the car produce ? ? ?

And one more question A FI 1.6 SOHC Vtec engine can produce roughly how much power ? ? asume that the engine internal are stock and with some light bolt on mods i noe its hard to estimate but i'm only looking for a rough answer

ThaNkzZ

 

In My Opinon:

I believe they are refering to quarter mile times (1/4).

It will be hard to spend less money than he spent on that spoon to beat his motor. You would probably have to throw about the same price in internal parts that he did to beat his motor. Put it this way, both motors factory stock, the b20 vtec will win. When one has more mods than the other, he has the advantage. Therefore, you would probably have to put the same amount of money in the motor (internals or turbo or nitrous, etc). Also, he has massive weight reduction and that helps quite a bit.

your last question, it would be hard to estimate that unless you have the sohc motor's hp stock. If its like 125, you would probably see no more than 150-160hp out of a turboed stock sohc vtec motor. The reason being that you would have a low boost count because of no internal mods (forged pistons, etc.). If you had internal mods, you could crank that boost up and increase horsepower by I would say 40%.

Just my opinon

 

noob that knows he doesnt know = cool.

this timing you are talking about is the amount of time it takes to get your car from a standing start (stopped) launched and travel down the 1/4 mile. 1320feet in 14 or 13 seconds is quick for a NA B series honda in anyone's book.

no your friend with a spoon engine DOES NOT have 250 to the wheels. Last I looked the spoon motor made something in the neihborhood of 227Bhp. Bhp is brake horse power it is also known as the flywheel hp of a motor. There is a frictional loss to the ground through the drivetrain of about 18-20% this is your wheel horsepower and what helps you accelerate in the real world.

No, B20VTEC is not easy to build, you cannot simply walk into a shop and ask for one. Fully built it will cost more than a spoon engine. 5700 for a longlock, yea the B20VTEC you may be able to do right for 6K with everything. A spoon motor in say a lightened civic hatch or CRX, you could say mid 12s would be possible with slicks. Keep in mind that the spoon engine is not made for the 1/4 mile. It is an endurance race motor, made for the mid to upper rpm power. That motor will BOG off the line. Geared properly, however... 12s. The CRVTEC is made for TORQUE. This motor is made for the 1/4 mile. There is a mildly tuned one on c-speedracing.com in an integra with some weight reduction which spun a 12.98 and 13.44 on street tires. It all depends on how much you can get to the ground without spinning and how much you can afford and what automotive talents you have available to you.

Also, FYI... a SOHC VTEC D16 with a turbo can produce about 195wheel horsepower and 160tq at the wheels with about 8lbs of boost. I have seen one make more than this, however he is not trying to make his motor last. He has seen over 200 and he pushes well over 10lbs... on stock internals... crazy. Fabio's car I have heard runs LOW 13s on stock Civic Si rims/michelins which gives him MUCH room to improve.

enjoy,

 

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Mike sarr gsr... where was I a noob in anything I commented on. I never said the spoon was 250 horse. Also, I didn't say it would be cheaper to build up a b20 to beat that spoon motor. Yes, the b20 is good for torque, but thats the point of throwing on the vtec head. He has best of both worlds.
Quarter mile times... thats not wrong.. ahaha

I must admit though, I was guessing on the exact numbers for the turbo. Although I do have the concept down, its just that I don't study sohc/turbo setup enough to know for sure.

 

If the Spoon blocks are for N1 racing, wouldn't that mean they use stock cams, etc?

In essense, they are near-stock engines which spoon has disassembled, blueprinted to crazy specs, and reassembled with a couple of goodies. Any extra horsepower generated is due to lightened parts, raised compression ratio, and a crazy port and polish job.