First off a pipe is not a pipe. The material AEM and others (well-known) uses is better. It stays cooler. Cooler air means more power. Go anywhere and look at a dynos from a generic intake vs. an AEM. Plus they are made so much better. A lot of cheap intakes only have a pipe clamp to mount them instead of a welded tab on the intake itself and that is sad.

 

so, you're saying that AEM's powder coated aluminum is better than my generic powder coated aluminum?:bs: same materials, same filter, same results. a local shop did a dyno run with an AEM intake and a generic ebay intake, both made of the same material and both had the same filter and both came up with the same results. coincidence?

 

honestly the heat coating and the name thats about it. in the winter months theres not much of a difference but in the summer months you'll see a difference. the heat coating saves about 3-6bhp so your lookign about about 2-3whp difference. if you have a generic thats only putting 2-3hp to the wheels in the summer months you have nothing vs. the aem that still put about 1-2hp to the wheels (depending on application)

 

well after having a number of pipes on my car when having my car tuned and checked the AEM still put more power to the wheels than any other company's intake system i had plus the K&N drop in trick. the difference i've seen is the summer vs. winter months as stated in my last post

 

the runs were done on a civic, but powder coated aluminum is powder coated aluminum which is what both intakes were made from.

 

okay i give you that howeva the runs were done on my 5th gen accord infront of me h:

 

and? the runs were on a civic in front of me? seeing is believing man.

 

what time of year? dyno in front of you off a fan? open air source regardless of fan? car was driven or sat b4 dyno'ing?

my car was done in front of me with the garage door closed with a fan blowing than ran again with the door open allowing the colder (winter air) to come into the bay. also my car was driven in between the mod swap outs pior to dynoing (cuz they were tryn to find why my engine was choking) according to the numbers on my car (since we are talkign about accords not civics) i was able to see that the AEM was far better than the stock intake system, stock intake system w/ no res. and a k&N drop, better than a generic short ram, DC short ram and a generic intake. if i remember correctly the AEM came 1st, followed by the DC short RAM, then the K&N, then the gen. CAI and so on. not that it mattered my readings on why my car was choking was a sensor not reading the amount of air flow correctly.. hence the choking feeling of the car..

 

you believe what u like to and roll your eyes as you feel needed
thats my story like it or not.. not he say she say
also for those that dont know open air blowing on a car yeilds different results than a fan. so if you had an open window with a fan infront of it the temp. of the air blowing would vary based on the exterior temp. h: so before you think first

 

christ, this is turning into a piss poor argument. You guys are missing the point. The original argument was a comparison between the two intakes. AEM or generic. A pipe is definitely not just a pipe. Granted there are companies that have edited their dynos to make their shit look better. That also is not the point of the argument. The point is that superior engineering yields superior results. If the aem puts out 5 bhp and the generic intake puts out 4, Thats a 25 percent boost and thtas the kind of number that engineers love to see. Granted it may not be worth the money for the difference in some cases, but in some cases it most definitely is. I havent seen any 3rd party dynos for the V2 but ive read about the principle that goes into its design and i believe a competent engineering team could leverage that principle to create significant results. This argument will be beaten into the ground forever, and the coating on the pipe may not make much difference, nor will whether you get it off ebay or from AEM (the shapes of these pipes are very similar anyway), but to say a pipe is just a pipe is an uneducated and ignorant statement. Bernoulli and Hemholtz were a lot smarter than most of us and a team of engineers who knows what they knew is a lot more competent in the subject than a few people who own hondas with boltons and nice wheels.

A lot of people on this board know a lot about how cars work but how many of you have been to a design lab and know about the math that goes into their testing? I have. Lets take a concrete example.

At Pratt and Whitney, a leading producer of aircraft engines, they use computers to simulate the behavior and performance of their engines by changing the degree the fan blades are at in the turbine. There are approximately 32-40 fins per engine. With each blade being able to move approximately 7 degrees one degree at a time, this yields more than 10^12 different blade combinations. With the current power of computers, it would take them more than 60 years to test all of those combinations. Using some statistical analysis, they are able to sample these combinations such that they are 99% sure they can get one of the top 5% of combinations by testing 3 or 4 thousand, but they can never be entirely sure they've gotten the best one.

The same principle applies when testing equipment on any engine, there are too many variables to be sure you've gotten the most performance out of it that you possibly can. Personally, I am willing to bet that despite AEMs dyno inflation, they have put more engineering time on their product than the average ebayer, and I'll take superior engineering every time.