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Old Dec 5, 2006 | 03:44 PM
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Lets do some math.

4 gears is less than 5 gears. It takes a car longer to accelerate with 4 longer gears than 5 shorter ones.

What rock did you crawl out from under n00b, it's a well know fact that given two of same car, one auto one 5-speed, the 5-speed will be faster. There has been no argument about this, ever, untill you came alongh:
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 98CoupeV6
are you aware that the gearing of manual transmission equipped cars is much more ideal for acceleration and that a skilled operator can shift a manual transmission much faster than a standard automatic transmission? Typically, a manual transmission car can cover the 1/4 mile or do 0-60 10% faster than the same car with an automatic. This is due to gearing, weight, and quicker shifts.

the reason you have to "rev it up" is because the gearing is shorter. it's sort of the point.
You'd sometimes have to "floor", operate the clutch, and shift gears rapidly on a manual, right? You can do that with an identical automatic and it will pass and get away from you. I've tried to keep up in traffic with identical automatic cars when mine was a stick shift and I always fall behind with a lot of shifting work to do. Everytime you'd step on the clutch in a stick shift you lose acceleration, unlike on an automatic which constantly gains acceleration as you press the accelerator. And where did you get that "technical" information of yours 98CoupeV6? The gearing on a stick shift are short in order to prevent stalling the vehicle. Whatever all of you say an automatic beats a stick shift. All of your paranoid and rude assertions are annoying.

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Old Dec 5, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by totalimmortal
Lets do some math.

4 gears is less than 5 gears. It takes a car longer to accelerate with 4 longer gears than 5 shorter ones.

What rock did you crawl out from under n00b, it's a well know fact that given two of same car, one auto one 5-speed, the 5-speed will be faster. There has been no argument about this, ever, untill you came alongh:
I'm sure you're addressing me. What cave did you come out of, apeman? It is my actual and lengthy experience that automatics have always beaten a stick shift. All of you are reading too much Grand Prix, Nascar, Lemans, etc. glamorizations which are myths like anything else.
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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GTFO n00b!

I'm sorry you shift like my grandmother, and cant keep up with the neighborhood kids' PT Loser. Manual is faster, can accelerate faster, and runs a quarter mile faster than an auto.

Case and point, two identical Nissan 240SXs'. One auto, one manual. They both run the quarter mile. The manual can run it allmost a full second faster. Care to explain my dilusional pal???
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by totalimmortal
GTFO n00b!

I'm sorry you shift like my grandmother, and cant keep up with the neighborhood kids' PT Loser. Manual is faster, can accelerate faster, and runs a quarter mile faster than an auto.

Case and point, two identical Nissan 240SXs'. One auto, one manual. They both run the quarter mile. The manual can run it allmost a full second faster. Care to explain my dilusional pal???
Don't underestimate me grandpa, you don't have what it takes! All of you are still paranoid as I stated above, shift freaks. You could strip tranny gears with all that frenzied and crazy shiftings. It's still the automatic apeman.
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by onthekeyboard
I've tried to keep up in traffic with identical automatic cars when mine was a stick shift and I always fall behind with a lot of shifting work to do.
Learn how to drive.

Everytime you'd step on the clutch in a stick shift you lose acceleration, unlike on an automatic which constantly gains acceleration as you press the accelerator.
Uh no. You're thinking of a CVT, or continuously variable transmission. An automatic still has clutches that shift gears, but does it much slower than you can with your own foot/arm. Dual clutch systems actually shift faster than a human can, but are only semi-automatic and on very expensive cars.

And where did you get that "technical" information of yours 98CoupeV6?
Uh, being a mechanical engineer and working at a tier 1 automotive supplier helps.

The gearing on a stick shift are short in order to prevent stalling the vehicle.
You have absolutely no idea how a transmission works, do you? I suggest you check out www.howstuffworks.com The gearing is shorter because...tadaa...there are more gears and no torque converter and/or overdrive. If a vehicle has the same number of gears in the automatic as in the manual, the manual will always be geared lower to improve acceleration and 'sporting' feel versus the automatic.

Whatever all of you say an automatic beats a stick shift. All of your paranoid and rude assertions are annoying.
Who's being "paranoid" and rude again? You're a joke.
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 98CoupeV6
Learn how to drive.



Uh no. You're thinking of a CVT, or continuously variable transmission. An automatic still has clutches that shift gears, but does it much slower than you can with your own foot/arm. Dual clutch systems actually shift faster than a human can, but are only semi-automatic and on very expensive cars.



Uh, being a mechanical engineer and working at a tier 1 automotive supplier helps.



You have absolutely no idea how a transmission works, do you? I suggest you check out www.howstuffworks.com The gearing is shorter because...tadaa...there are more gears and no torque converter and/or overdrive. If a vehicle has the same number of gears in the automatic as in the manual, the manual will always be geared lower to improve acceleration and 'sporting' feel versus the automatic.



Who's being "paranoid" and rude again? You're a joke.
The CVT is the better automatic transmission than the conventional ones we have today. You're a joke yourself shifting those useless gears all day. If your manual tranny gears are short your vehicle cannot accelerate as fast as an automatic and as you constantly work on the clutch and shift gears you lose acceleration when compared to even the conventional automatic. I don't dig BS's, amens, diddo, etc. And so what if you're an engineer? You didn't learn everything by yourself like I have been. If it weren't for your "tier 1 supplier" employment you'd be as dumb as a dodo.

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Old Dec 5, 2006 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by onthekeyboard
If your manual tranny gears are short your vehicle cannot accelerate as fast as an automatic and as you constantly work on the clutch and shift gears you lose acceleration when compared to even the conventional automatic.
:rofl: wow. thanks for reading my post :wavey:
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 04:32 PM
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I see you didn't care to explain the 240SX example, wonder why??
Old Dec 5, 2006 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by totalimmortal
I see you didn't care to explain the 240SX example, wonder why??
Do you know if the stick-shift 240SX is souped up a little or not? Do you know if the manual 240SX is the newer car? And there are human factors to consider in this acceleration test between the two 240SX's. There's the commercial aspect wherein the "race test" must favor the stick shift for sales purposes. And etc.



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