Price reasonable for swap?-> my car issue.
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Price reasonable for swap?-> my car issue.
So i finaly reached a descent shop who do swaps, installs, builds, etc etc.
He has a b16 already.
So..the theory goes: i give him my car, he does the install, etc etc.
Now if i want a b16 all motor, it's 4000$ (with 210hp) ..that's pretty damn expensive in my books, but he's got a good rep and the motor is good. I figure i can get a b16 for around 2k/+another 1.5k for internals+my install= saving 500$.. but i'm a newb at installs..soooo 3.5k v 4k is not bad
This is where it gets better/worse
If i want a b16 boosted (350hp), then that would cost me 3200$ instead of 4k$ to build the motor. The turbo will be a top mount turbo with a custom turbo manifold. The price of the turbo will vary depending on wth i want..so +3500$ as an estimate. Total: $6700
I have enough money to do both in this case. The question is: Is this guy ripping me off on the setup, is it moderetly priced, or is it a good deal?
I asked him for a quote that included: tein basic suspension/ exaust upgrade.
I gave him my price range, and i asked him to come up wiht an exact quote for the package for b16boosted/ and b16 all motor.
I'll know by tuesday at latest,
and the information i'm finding out will be more specific as well. :
-WHAT is he building on the all motor.
-what kind of pistons,rods,valves,retainers,cams
-what kind of head work/ what kind of machining(if any) o.s. or st. rings. is it gonna be stroking or just reg.
-what comp. ratio is he gonna be giving me?
list parts and brands for both setups
For the comp ratio i think 10.4-10.6 is good, the lower the easier the tunning's going to be if it's boosted.
Anything on this subject is welcomed, even flaming
He has a b16 already.
So..the theory goes: i give him my car, he does the install, etc etc.
Now if i want a b16 all motor, it's 4000$ (with 210hp) ..that's pretty damn expensive in my books, but he's got a good rep and the motor is good. I figure i can get a b16 for around 2k/+another 1.5k for internals+my install= saving 500$.. but i'm a newb at installs..soooo 3.5k v 4k is not bad
This is where it gets better/worse
If i want a b16 boosted (350hp), then that would cost me 3200$ instead of 4k$ to build the motor. The turbo will be a top mount turbo with a custom turbo manifold. The price of the turbo will vary depending on wth i want..so +3500$ as an estimate. Total: $6700
I have enough money to do both in this case. The question is: Is this guy ripping me off on the setup, is it moderetly priced, or is it a good deal?
I asked him for a quote that included: tein basic suspension/ exaust upgrade.
I gave him my price range, and i asked him to come up wiht an exact quote for the package for b16boosted/ and b16 all motor.
I'll know by tuesday at latest,
and the information i'm finding out will be more specific as well. :
-WHAT is he building on the all motor.
-what kind of pistons,rods,valves,retainers,cams
-what kind of head work/ what kind of machining(if any) o.s. or st. rings. is it gonna be stroking or just reg.
-what comp. ratio is he gonna be giving me?
list parts and brands for both setups
For the comp ratio i think 10.4-10.6 is good, the lower the easier the tunning's going to be if it's boosted.
Anything on this subject is welcomed, even flaming
been there done that
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once you get a parts list that will better determine if the prices are too much/not enough.
dont even bother trying to go na with a b16. you'll be disappointed with the power output for the money you spent on it. boost it all the way. who will be doing all this work?
dont even bother trying to go na with a b16. you'll be disappointed with the power output for the money you spent on it. boost it all the way. who will be doing all this work?
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heh yea im not fond of all motor b16s.. there's nothing to them. but if i cnt get that b16 boosted for my price, i;ll find a gsr and go n/a.
The guys is the owner of 2nrwerks in tampa. and the turbo will probably be top-mounted instead of it being on bottom, even though the b16 is already notched for a turbo down there. He's pretty much throwing in a custom manifold as well. since the turbo is top-mounted.
The guys is the owner of 2nrwerks in tampa. and the turbo will probably be top-mounted instead of it being on bottom, even though the b16 is already notched for a turbo down there. He's pretty much throwing in a custom manifold as well. since the turbo is top-mounted.
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So i finaly reached a descent shop who do swaps, installs, builds, etc etc.
He has a b16 already.
So..the theory goes: i give him my car, he does the install, etc etc.
Now if i want a b16 all motor, it's 4000$ (with 210hp) ..that's pretty damn expensive in my books, but he's got a good rep and the motor is good. I figure i can get a b16 for around 2k/+another 1.5k for internals+my install= saving 500$.. but i'm a newb at installs..soooo 3.5k v 4k is not bad
This is where it gets better/worse
If i want a b16 boosted (350hp), then that would cost me 3200$ instead of 4k$ to build the motor. The turbo will be a top mount turbo with a custom turbo manifold. The price of the turbo will vary depending on wth i want..so +3500$ as an estimate. Total: $6700
I have enough money to do both in this case. The question is: Is this guy ripping me off on the setup, is it moderetly priced, or is it a good deal?
I asked him for a quote that included: tein basic suspension/ exaust upgrade.
I gave him my price range, and i asked him to come up wiht an exact quote for the package for b16boosted/ and b16 all motor.
I'll know by tuesday at latest,
and the information i'm finding out will be more specific as well. :
-WHAT is he building on the all motor.
-what kind of pistons,rods,valves,retainers,cams
-what kind of head work/ what kind of machining(if any) o.s. or st. rings. is it gonna be stroking or just reg.
-what comp. ratio is he gonna be giving me?
list parts and brands for both setups
For the comp ratio i think 10.4-10.6 is good, the lower the easier the tunning's going to be if it's boosted.
Anything on this subject is welcomed, even flaming
He has a b16 already.
So..the theory goes: i give him my car, he does the install, etc etc.
Now if i want a b16 all motor, it's 4000$ (with 210hp) ..that's pretty damn expensive in my books, but he's got a good rep and the motor is good. I figure i can get a b16 for around 2k/+another 1.5k for internals+my install= saving 500$.. but i'm a newb at installs..soooo 3.5k v 4k is not bad
This is where it gets better/worse
If i want a b16 boosted (350hp), then that would cost me 3200$ instead of 4k$ to build the motor. The turbo will be a top mount turbo with a custom turbo manifold. The price of the turbo will vary depending on wth i want..so +3500$ as an estimate. Total: $6700
I have enough money to do both in this case. The question is: Is this guy ripping me off on the setup, is it moderetly priced, or is it a good deal?
I asked him for a quote that included: tein basic suspension/ exaust upgrade.
I gave him my price range, and i asked him to come up wiht an exact quote for the package for b16boosted/ and b16 all motor.
I'll know by tuesday at latest,
and the information i'm finding out will be more specific as well. :
-WHAT is he building on the all motor.
-what kind of pistons,rods,valves,retainers,cams
-what kind of head work/ what kind of machining(if any) o.s. or st. rings. is it gonna be stroking or just reg.
-what comp. ratio is he gonna be giving me?
list parts and brands for both setups
For the comp ratio i think 10.4-10.6 is good, the lower the easier the tunning's going to be if it's boosted.
Anything on this subject is welcomed, even flaming
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I understand this, and i really appreciate it sometimes when these people come to me and ask for help and pay me. I was simply stating the fact that it was a lot of money.
To be perfectly honest, if someone has 6700 bux in additional money to spend on the car, unless they are really drivin to find performance out of a honda, i would strongly suggest adding it to the purchase of another vehicle. It might not turn out as fast or as personalized as modding a honda to that extent, but after doing all that i've done with my own, i kinda wanna play with something else sometimes.
To be perfectly honest, if someone has 6700 bux in additional money to spend on the car, unless they are really drivin to find performance out of a honda, i would strongly suggest adding it to the purchase of another vehicle. It might not turn out as fast or as personalized as modding a honda to that extent, but after doing all that i've done with my own, i kinda wanna play with something else sometimes.
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I understand this, and i really appreciate it sometimes when these people come to me and ask for help and pay me. I was simply stating the fact that it was a lot of money.
To be perfectly honest, if someone has 6700 bux in additional money to spend on the car, unless they are really drivin to find performance out of a honda, i would strongly suggest adding it to the purchase of another vehicle. It might not turn out as fast or as personalized as modding a honda to that extent, but after doing all that i've done with my own, i kinda wanna play with something else sometimes.
To be perfectly honest, if someone has 6700 bux in additional money to spend on the car, unless they are really drivin to find performance out of a honda, i would strongly suggest adding it to the purchase of another vehicle. It might not turn out as fast or as personalized as modding a honda to that extent, but after doing all that i've done with my own, i kinda wanna play with something else sometimes.
edit: I do understand your take on buying a new car though. My condition with the mechanic is if i can watch over what i'm doing, and if it's a small shop i dont see why not, and he's pretty down to earth to let me. If he doesn't i'll think about not doing it. But if i can see it done i can do it myself that's how i've learned everything in my life. Buying another car will not be the same for me, as i need a performace honda =) i like hondas as sad as that sounds.
Take that into the equation and you got money flying all over the place. And i'm sorry but i didn't know you can forge your own pistons, rods, valve springs, cranks, mounts, suspenssion, exhaust. If you can, then i'll think about believing this $3k myth.
And your welcome to buy a b16 block/rods/pistons/bore it/ springs/ and a garrett turbo and weld it so i can keep my a/c and p/s. IF you can do all this i'd give u $3k and another $1.5k just because i'm generous for the amount of work i'm getting.
Last edited by Meshca; Jan 28, 2007 at 08:44 PM.
