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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by InfiniteVTec
My car puts out 107whp/96.1torque... but i'm suffering valve float... as my peak hp hits it drops and then comes up to nearly hitting it again... meaning it wants to go higher than the valve springs allow. I'm thinking I should get around 115whp 100torque with better valve springs.
did no one else question this? How do you figure that you're floating a valve? (im not tryin to be an asshole, im trying to make sense of the logic used in determining it.)

On another note... if you actually do follow through on turbo'ing your automatic, be sure of two things. You most certainly have to invest in a tranny oil cooler, and prepare saving for a manual transmission swap.

and heres a quote to end the nonsense...
Originally Posted by _entropy
Inside an auto transmission power isn't transfered directly from gear-to-gear with a lever to select the gear, the power is transfered through a planetary gear set, with a set of bands that clamp down to determine the gear. At higher horsepower levels these bands simpley don't grip hard enough, and the transmission slips. Common upgrades in other automatic transmissions are thicker or stronger (IE, kevlar) bands, or a new valve body that increases transmission pressure and therefore clamping power of the bands."

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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 11:22 PM
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I gotta go with InfiniteVTec, i have no comments on boosting on an Auto or Manual, but he's speaking base on what he thinks and his research and , its a free speech. people can say that the way he's thinking is wrong but after all, he isn't speaking of the impossible thing. You people don't have the acutal hard proof to prove him wrong. So Chill out and stop calling each other name and make a fool out of yourself. how about respect each other and agrue in a reasonable way?
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 11:24 PM
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the power dipped at the same point at each run, the a/f was stable and there was no missfire. The guy tuning my ride said I probably have deffective valve springs and i'm getting valve float.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by InfiniteVTec
Ignorance is not being able to come up with proof of your claims. If so many honda autos producing good #'s are having problems, why haven't you guys come up with some evidence, show me for example... a warranty statement from honda that claims a turbo was the cause of a transmission failure. Then I'll believe you. Til then you guys haven't proven a damn thing. Hearsay doesn't work in courts, and it doesn't work here, sorry.
b/c noones dumb enough to boost an auto.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 05:40 AM
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but go ahead and boost it im not saying anything else im done with this rediculous tread.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by InfiniteVTec
the power dipped at the same point at each run, the a/f was stable and there was no missfire. The guy tuning my ride said I probably have deffective valve springs and i'm getting valve float.
That doesnt make sense to me at all, you float a valve when the camshaft is opening the valves faster than the springs can close them. How are you going to say that you're floating valves between a certain rpm(lets say 5000-6000), and not at a higher rpm(i.e 9000)? That dip is due to something else.

On the other hand... did your tuner feed you some bullshit to convince you? or is he actually misinformed?

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 04:56 PM
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...AccordV6, did you even read the thread?

Originally Posted by AccordV6
but he's speaking base on what he thinks and his research and , its a free speech.
Good for him, he talks freely, its just too bad nothing is bookworthy. His research? I haven't seen anything but bullshit. Claims that since a factory turbo vehicle can be automatic, a non factory turbo honda automagic can be too.. is bullshit. His claim that a manual transmission will experience the same problems as an automatic transmission under high horsepower is bullshit.

Originally Posted by AccordV6
people can say that the way he's thinking is wrong but after all, he isn't speaking of the impossible thing.
No he's not speaking of the impossible, hes speaking of the impractical, and worse of all, his argumentive, stubborn approach is filled with, more bullshit and more hearsay than some of the posters who responded to it.

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You people don't have the acutal hard proof to prove him wrong.
Heres hard proof, manual Honda transmissions use levers to engage and hold gears in gear. Automatic Honda transmissions use a planetary gear. Using hydraulic pressure pistons within the transmission, the pistons pressure the bands engaging the appropriate gear and holding it in gear. So tell me, which transmission is going to withstand more power and which transmission is going to disengage/slip first? Something thats mechanicly held in place, or something thats pressured into place?

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So Chill out and stop calling each other name and make a fool out of yourself. how about respect each other and agrue in a reasonable way?
make a fool out of who?

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 07:49 PM
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dude i'm not gonna seat here and put up another essay of how to go against what you guys been talking about. all i said was let him do/say whatever he wants, he doing to his car, is he doing it your car? you guys advised him, but he didn't listen. so now what r you gonna do? piss of just cause he didind't listen to you? let him do/say wtaever he wants, he will learn it eventually. many people learn things in many different way. and i gues he just the type of person who learn it the hard way. now shut the #$# up and chill #$#@ole
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AccordV6
So Chill out and stop calling each other name and make a fool out of yourself. how about respect each other and agrue in a reasonable way?
Originally Posted by AccordV6
dude i'm not gonna seat here and put up another essay of how to go against what you guys been talking about. all i said was let him do/say whatever he wants, he doing to his car, is he doing it your car? you guys advised him, but he didn't listen. so now what r you gonna do? piss of just cause he didind't listen to you? let him do/say wtaever he wants, he will learn it eventually. many people learn things in many different way. and i gues he just the type of person who learn it the hard way. now shut the #$# up and chill #$#@ole
Originally Posted by Jeterkm02
make a fool out of who?
I am not going to engage in an argument or insultapalooza in this thread, dont reply to me here. PM me if u feel the need to continue.

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AccordV6
dude i'm not gonna seat here and put up another essay of how to go against what you guys been talking about. all i said was let him do/say whatever he wants, he doing to his car, is he doing it your car? you guys advised him, but he didn't listen. so now what r you gonna do? piss of just cause he didind't listen to you? let him do/say wtaever he wants, he will learn it eventually. many people learn things in many different way. and i gues he just the type of person who learn it the hard way. now shut the #$# up and chill #$#@ole
I agree with you. It is his car and he has been warned, so I could care less what happens to it. Personally, I would never do it, but trying to force your ideas onto someone else is stupid.

A boosted automatic Honda can and has been done with decent results. They weren't pushing much power, but it is possible and can be reliable with proper transmission upgrades (transmission oil cooler, etc.) and low boost. I know there have been decent results with B-series automatics, but I know that Accords are a bad idea to boost on, and I am not sure whether D-series automatics would be good or bad for much more power than stock. Either way, don't expect anything over 200 whp (reliably) unless you convert the tranny to manual.
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