SRD? FULL RACE? -_- which shop im curious nowh:

 

see....isnt it so cool to root for the underdog? are you curious bc you dont believe him or are you curious because deep down you know that watching an economy car run so quick is just the coolest thing.

 

im curious because i want to know which shop built it -_- i know some of the people that run those shops in phoenix and i wanna know which ones it is... i already know civics have a lot of potential and have ran really insane times...

EDIT: and i didnt buy a civic because it was the under dog... i bought it because it was what i could afford

 

yess SRD.

http://superiorracing.com

everyone there is cool as fuck.

 

ok i thought so... lol must visit the shop again sometime... havent been there for awhile... i wonder if the same people still work there -_- lol

BTW SRD does have some sick cars

 

it has been the same people working there for atleast the past 2 1/2 years. mike is cool as hell.

 

we were talking about potential in the same price range.... a 91 civic blue books for about $1500 and a 91 300zx tt blue books for about $5k, with the same amount of miles, the civic is cheaper to run, and maintain, and more reliable; the nissan is faster, and much more expensive. you're comparing apples to oranges, lol. as long as we're on the subject lets bring up DSMs again and I'll point out that you can pick up a modded '95 AWD talon for about the same price as a nearly stock ZX, and if the previous owner knew what he was doing (or if you know what you're doing) it can easily run mid to low 13's for that amount of money

 

and crankwalk left and right


and anyways... no matter what vehicle make you're comparing, its always apples and oranges idiot...

reliability in a old car is not always 100 percent NO MATTER WHAT NAME IS ON IT. fixing things will always equal to money piling up especially on old cars...so not one so to speak will be cheaper to maintain than the other...

blah blah potential in the same price range is your first statement... first of...if you paid for a 91 EF for 1.5K ur an idiot i wouldnt pay that much for that car...second... if you did pay that much for an EF and dropped the rest of the 5gs on mods and swap... you still wouldnt touch a 300zxTT, because unless you're stupid and bought a lemon Z...i dont see anyone spending more than 1.5K on things to fix and counting maintenance... in order for an EF to even keep up with a Z, hed have to have atleast a B series or some sick SOHC setup... and i highly highly highly doubt itll cost less than 5k+ to do all that....

basically what im saying is, unless you've own or driven the other cars... dont hail the civic... yes i will admit it has potential and reliability...but it cost a lot of money to get it to keep up with some stock cars.

its always a lot cheaper to make something fast go faster...than to have some slow, quick...

EDIT: just to add to ur DSM comment... i know in the right hands those things can get sick times... my buddy had a 2nd gen GST that ran 13.2 at the lowest on street tires... but the problems he had on that was also pretty frequent

 

Dude, that's just so wrong. Less than 4% of (just) the turbo '95 model Eclipses and Talons crankwalked. Less than 3% of (all) 2g cars ever experienced it. Sure 3% of 864,000 units sold is a lot of cars, but it's not expensive or difficult to fix. It's 5x easier than replacing the timing belt on a 300z, and half as time-consuming. Saying that someone will crankwalk left and right because they have a turbo 2g is just as inacurate as saying Hondas suck or that all Honda owners are ricers.

This FEAR of crankwalk came from people sqeaking their wheels trying to get Mitsubishi to replace their 60k-80k mile old engines for free, and Mitsubishi should have helped them somehow, but didn't at all. So the stink got bigger and louder until people started believing that they ALL do it. It didn't help that many people replaced the bearings in the rotating assembly and then traded them in to used car dealers making someone else have to deal with the problem 1000 miles later because they didn't buy the warranty. You can't fix a crankwalked 7-bolt block by just replacing bearings or it WILL come back. But IT IS easy enough to fix... permanently. Once you 6-bolt swap it, it doesn't come back. The 6-bolt will hold up to over 600whp on a bone-stock rotating assembly, and you can find 4g63's in Galants, Hyundais, Eclipse, Talon, Lasers from over 10 years of production.

My 7-bolt has 138,000 HARD miles on it, and 10,000 miles ago when I pulled it down, I checked the bearings, bores and oil clearances... wish I'd left it all alone. Nothing was even worn, but since I went in that far, might as well replace everything. Now it's making 433bhp/384tq, runs 12.6@109 on V-rated radials and pump gas. If I ever blow this thing up, I'll swap in a 6-bolt shortblock for $450 and move on with my life. Crankwalk might be a very real and discouraging obstacle to some, but those people can just go live in fear and spend 3x as much to run a 13 with something else.

Running a 13.2 is not at all difficult with a stock turbo FWD Eclipse. All it takes is a boost controller ($30), Fuel pump rewire ($30) and a good clutch ($400). That should piss off anyone that's ever had to boost a Civic to beat a 14 second pass. You can buy 2 turbo DSMs now for less than the cost of a new turbo kit for a Honda, and anything pre-95 isn't likely to ever crankwalk.

EDIT: Overall, Hodas have a big weight advantage over DSMs so I fully understand why building a Civic up is so popular. If you must have your 4g63, there are ways around that... but swapping a Colt is not easier than swapping a Civic. I'm not a Honda basher, either.

I respect the Nismo guys for their patience. I can't stand working on Nissan V6's. Just a personal thing. Sorry.

 

in all respects of top speed, handling, acceleration, weight balance, launching, anything racing-oriented: RWD is better than FWD. Sure, fwd can keep up sometimes, but ultimately rwd cars will do it beter and usually for cheaper. The only advantage fwd will have is efficiency/economy.

Civics are so popular mostly because they are cheap, economical, low insurance, easy to work on,reliable.. and because of all those--lots of people buy them, which makes a ton of aftermarket-support, which creates even more popularity.