Originally Posted by
Snoopy
$1400 can get a nice set of cams and a tuning system. or you can pop in an ats 4.929 fd and itr lsd.
well the price for a gsr is $2000 for long block, and $1360 for ITR transmission.
Originally Posted by
sherwood
yes, but so is gas mileage and everything else under the sun. what i am saying is that for what you are paying for you arent getting something worth while-- it will be faster, but to what extent is the question.
personally i would buy a GSR motor and then just boost it until it requires new interals-- in the end you'll spend about an extra $600 or so on parts but the car will be much faster. plus a turbo setup has way more potential than the NA setup of the type-r motor.
all in all you can push 260+ to the wheels with just a bolt on turbokit and some tuning with a gsr motor, vs 170 with the type-r motor, yet you are only paying a few hundred more-- granted it costs more, but at least it's money well spent.
gas mileage is not a factor. i have a 93 Accord SE that gets exceptional gas mileage. but it'd prolly run a 17 sec 1/4 mile. the civic should run mid 13's with the engine swap. so it'll be worth the poor gas mileage every weekend.
I'm not turboing anything besides an LS. I have a preference. i think turbo setups are generally not practical and do horrible damage and are a huge pain. i had a turbo ls in my old integra. and it was the worst experience of my life. yea, boost feels great, but it isnt worth the headaches and the blown motors. not to mention, i dont see too many stock gsr's with turbos around where i live doin much better then 13.5 with street tires and 5-6psi.
a turbo kit costs $4000 + the cost of engine management and then tuning time. Thats way more then the $1400 difference in price for the ITR swap. The itr swap will get me started with a decent NA build and wont break down on me. No intercooler couplings falling off, etc.