Linear Springs?
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Cone Basher
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Linear Springs: Ground Controls+Konis
Well, I'm crushed that the H&R Sports springs that I've always wanted are progressive rate springs!!! 
Most of you guys know how a progressive rate spring isn't too great for Auto-X and other track events...
Anyways, a good friend of mine recommended Ground Control coilovers or their regular made custom springs. Has anyone had experience using Ground Control coilovers on the track? Are they good? If I were to get them, they would be the ones that are specifically made to snap onto the Koni Yellow perch grooves.
Does anyone know how exactly they attach to the Konis? Do they attach to the center perch? Also, what is the best method to get the ride height I want? Should I measure from the fender lip to the flat ground? (makes sense to me
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Anyways, my car weighs 3000lbs, and I want it to have a somewhat comfortable ride, but still do decent for Auto-X (power on oversteer is possible?). For the street I would use adjustable rear sway endlinks to dial in understeer for safe, predictable street driving (like if my mom were to borrow the car).
Would 500R/450F be a good choice? Does anyone have any good resources that can point me in the right direction? I plan on calling Ground Control soon...
http://www.ground-control.com/?D=126...13417ad9fb7e9f
BTW, this seems to confuse me and go against all the advice I've received so far
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http://www.nt...dcontrol.shtml
Most of you guys know how a progressive rate spring isn't too great for Auto-X and other track events...Anyways, a good friend of mine recommended Ground Control coilovers or their regular made custom springs. Has anyone had experience using Ground Control coilovers on the track? Are they good? If I were to get them, they would be the ones that are specifically made to snap onto the Koni Yellow perch grooves.
Does anyone know how exactly they attach to the Konis? Do they attach to the center perch? Also, what is the best method to get the ride height I want? Should I measure from the fender lip to the flat ground? (makes sense to me
)Anyways, my car weighs 3000lbs, and I want it to have a somewhat comfortable ride, but still do decent for Auto-X (power on oversteer is possible?). For the street I would use adjustable rear sway endlinks to dial in understeer for safe, predictable street driving (like if my mom were to borrow the car).
Would 500R/450F be a good choice? Does anyone have any good resources that can point me in the right direction? I plan on calling Ground Control soon...
http://www.ground-control.com/?D=126...13417ad9fb7e9f
BTW, this seems to confuse me and go against all the advice I've received so far
http://<br />
<br />
http://www.nt...dcontrol.shtml
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Originally posted by MrFatbooty
You can't really make a front driver oversteer with the throttle. More throttle reduces the traction of the front tires which gives you understeer.
You can't really make a front driver oversteer with the throttle. More throttle reduces the traction of the front tires which gives you understeer.
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ok, just got off the phone with Ground Control. I told them that my car is a daily driver first, and it's an Autocrosser second, so I wanted a comfortable spring rate. I also told him about the Eibach sways that I want (more oversteer, along with adjustable endlinks; he already knew how the Eibach sways are 
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He recommended that I get 450F/400R. The regular off the shelf GCs for my car are 450F/300R. Anyways, if I were to go with a higher rate in the back than the front, along with the thick sways, it could be too much oversteer.
That being said, I asked him how the car would be performance and comfort wise on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being the best comfort/worst performance, and 10 being the best performance/worst comfort)
He felt it would be a solid 6. That was cool, because I planned on asking this question, and stating that I would want a 6 (no BS).
Now that I've got that off my chest, I can go on and get as much seat time as possible
Also, I forgot to ask, but could I set the coilover to sit on the lower Koni perch, so I have to use less of the sleeve to lower the car? I would prefer to do that so I can decrease the chance of the spring rubbing on the sleeve...
). He recommended that I get 450F/400R. The regular off the shelf GCs for my car are 450F/300R. Anyways, if I were to go with a higher rate in the back than the front, along with the thick sways, it could be too much oversteer.
That being said, I asked him how the car would be performance and comfort wise on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being the best comfort/worst performance, and 10 being the best performance/worst comfort)
He felt it would be a solid 6. That was cool, because I planned on asking this question, and stating that I would want a 6 (no BS).
Now that I've got that off my chest, I can go on and get as much seat time as possible
Also, I forgot to ask, but could I set the coilover to sit on the lower Koni perch, so I have to use less of the sleeve to lower the car? I would prefer to do that so I can decrease the chance of the spring rubbing on the sleeve...
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Sounds about right/
I've got 375/325 on my car, a bit higher than normal for my civic.
I'd like to go 400/375 in the future. Regardless... my car handles exceptionally well. and its got a similar setup as to what you want to do.
rear sway
rear tie-ish bar
strut bars
complete bushing changeover
Ground Controls w/Tokico illuminas.
Of corse this is on a civic, and you're car is bound to have differences.
I've got 375/325 on my car, a bit higher than normal for my civic.
I'd like to go 400/375 in the future. Regardless... my car handles exceptionally well. and its got a similar setup as to what you want to do.
rear sway
rear tie-ish bar
strut bars
complete bushing changeover
Ground Controls w/Tokico illuminas.
Of corse this is on a civic, and you're car is bound to have differences.
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Originally posted by AwwsChwA
Sort of a tangent, but I thought it was best to have stiffer springs in the rear of a FWD car like a Honda.
Sort of a tangent, but I thought it was best to have stiffer springs in the rear of a FWD car like a Honda.
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450lb springs would bottom out?? That doesn't make sense at all, unless you've got some stupid-heavy engine swap in it. It's hard to bottom out even the stock springs on an autocross track. What kind of racing are you setting up for?
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Originally posted by AwwsChwA
450lb springs would bottom out?? That doesn't make sense at all, unless you've got some stupid-heavy engine swap in it. It's hard to bottom out even the stock springs on an autocross track. What kind of racing are you setting up for?
450lb springs would bottom out?? That doesn't make sense at all, unless you've got some stupid-heavy engine swap in it. It's hard to bottom out even the stock springs on an autocross track. What kind of racing are you setting up for?
the off the shelf versions have 450F/300R and it's the same application for I4s and V6s (I4 front end is lighter). I'd love to go with 400F/400R, but they don't want me to (unless I keep it at stock height) :dunno:
