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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 07:01 PM
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Don't forget, AF1 doesn't fly like a normal plane. It's going to fly faster, and when it's on the ground, it's kept on standby thus wasting more fuel to the APU.
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tark
Anyone can just calculate whatever they feel like with number taken from the the internet. Do you realize that according to you're calculations a flight to Europe in a 747 would cost approx 800$/person in fuel only? Does that not make you second guess your so called calculations?

A) The distance is actually 4050.3 statute miles
http://www.landings.com/_landings/pa..._dist_apt.html

B) 5 gallon a mile is probably (the site you quoted suck) a fully loaded 747 with full payload. This is surely not the way the president travels.

C) the price you posted is retail at the airport. i hope you don't believe that you fill up a airliner plane like you do your car. The actually cent/gallon paid at refineries last week is 174. i would think the Gov of the US to buy it maybe at around 2X that price on average. If that with all the options, hedging it must do for it's fleet.
http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/economi...itor/index.htm

Conclusion... don't talk about shit you have ABSOLUTELY no idea about.
The amount is not the point. The point is that it was wasted money.
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by b00gers
Besides all that...how the heck do airlines make their money then
a 747 can carry about 500 passengers. At a cost of $100K/transatlantic flight for fuel cost would only be 200$ per passengers. Also more fuel efficient planes.

1 more thing that alot of people dont think about are those last minute flights. they are usually expensive but they cost next to nothing for the airline.
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by spanky
The amount is not the point. The point is that it was wasted money.
I didn't even debate the wasted money part... i don't agree but i'm not going to share my opinion on it. I was just pointing out that the number WorstBob gave is BS.
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tark
you really need to learn when to shut up and accept that you are just and idiot.

a 70% loaded 747 uses 95% of fuel consumption. 5 gallon per mile 100% loaded. i ESTIMATED that Airforce1 would maybe une 85% consumption of 5 gallon per mile = 4.25 gallon per mile.

i already pointed out that the you gov IMO would pay about 3$/gallon

4000 miles at 4.25 gallon per mile with a cost of 3$/gallon = $51 000 X 2 X 3 = $306,000
Now calculate the cost of the second plane into that and both planes at standby for the entire time they were in Copenhagen.
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tark
you really need to learn when to shut up and accept that you are just and idiot.

a 70% loaded 747 uses 95% of fuel consumption. 5 gallon per mile 100% loaded. i ESTIMATED that Airforce1 would maybe une 85% consumption of 5 gallon per mile = 4.25 gallon per mile.

i already pointed out that the you gov IMO would pay about 3$/gallon

4000 miles at 4.25 gallon per mile with a cost of 3$/gallon = $51 000 X 2 X 3 = $306,000
Like i said, i used numbers i can prove, you are guessing.

in my opinion they spend 10 million dollers per gallon. let's use that.

Also, 70% loaded? That's like calculating the presidential limos MPG based on the MPG of a stock caddy.

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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Llamaguy
Don't forget, AF1 doesn't fly like a normal plane. It's going to fly faster, and when it's on the ground, it's kept on standby thus wasting more fuel to the APU.
the VC-25 flies faster?
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
Now calculate the cost of the second plane into that and both planes at standby for the entire time they were in Copenhagen.
it is calculated... actually calculated 3 planes:

Originally Posted by Tark
4000 miles at 4.25 gallon per mile with a cost of 3$/gallon = $51 000 X 2 X 3 = $306,000
X2 (the return) X3 (3 planes)
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 07:21 PM
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Don't they also get two fighters for protection during all flights as well. I would assume this would go for AF1 and the bitches plane as well being the "first bitch" and all...lets also calculate that the second plane was overloaded by about 300 pounds....Oprah been hitting the midnight snacks again.
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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
Don't they also get two fighters for protection during all flights as well. I would assume this would go for AF1 and the bitches plane as well being the "first bitch" and all...lets also calculate that the second plane was overloaded by about 300 pounds....Oprah been hitting the midnight snacks again.
i dont think it has escort fighter everywhere it goes. If i remember correctly it was a big deal that it had those escorts in Egypt cause the pilot didn't know about the escorts and thought they were under attack or something like that...
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