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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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sounds like a feasible idea. i'm in.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 10:21 AM
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http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/a.../41884527.html

States consider drug tests for welfare recipients
TOM BREEN

The Associated Press

CHARLESTON, W.Va. - Want government assistance? Just say no to drugs.

Lawmakers in at least eight states want recipients of food stamps, unemployment benefits or welfare to submit to random drug testing.

The effort comes as more Americans turn to these safety nets to ride out the recession. Poverty and civil liberties advocates fear the strategy could backfire, discouraging some people from seeking financial aid and making already desperate situations worse.

Those in favor of the drug tests say they are motivated out of a concern for their constituents' health and ability to put themselves on more solid financial footing once the economy rebounds. But proponents concede they also want to send a message: you don't get something for nothing.

"Nobody's being forced into these assistance programs," said Craig Blair, a Republican in the West Virginia Legislature who has created a Web site , notwithmytaxdollars.com , that bears a bobble-headed likeness of himself advocating this position. "If so many jobs require random drug tests these days, why not these benefits?"

Blair is proposing the most comprehensive measure in the country, as it would apply to anyone applying for food stamps, unemployment compensation or the federal programs usually known as "welfare": Temporary Assistance for Needy Families and Women, Infants and Children.

Lawmakers in other states are offering similar, but more modest proposals.

On Wednesday, the Kansas House of Representatives approved a measure mandating drug testing for the 14,000 or so people getting cash assistance from the state, which now goes before the state senate. In February, the Oklahoma Senate unanimously passed a measure that would require drug testing as a condition of receiving TANF benefits, and similar bills have been introduced in Missouri and Hawaii. A Florida senator has proposed a bill linking unemployment compensation to drug testing, and a member of Minnesota's House of Representatives has a bill requiring drug tests of people who get public assistance under a state program there.

A January attempt in the Arizona Senate to establish such a law failed.

In the past, such efforts have been stymied by legal and cost concerns, said Christine Nelson, a program manager with the National Conference of State Legislatures. But states' bigger fiscal crises, and the surging demand for public assistance, could change that.

"It's an example of where you could cut costs at the expense of a segment of society that's least able to defend themselves," said Frank Crabtree, executive director of the West Virginia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Drug testing is not the only restriction envisioned for people receiving public assistance: a bill in the Tennessee Legislature would cap lottery winnings for recipients at $600.

There seems to be no coordinated move around the country to push these bills, and similar proposals have arisen periodically since federal welfare reform in the 1990s. But the appearance of a cluster of such proposals in the midst of the recession shows lawmakers are newly engaged about who is getting public assistance.

Particularly troubling to some policy analysts is the drive to drug test people collecting unemployment insurance, whose numbers nationwide now exceed 5.4 million, the highest total on records dating back to 1967.

"It doesn't seem like the kind of thing to bring up during a recession," said Ron Haskins, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. "People who are unemployed, who have lost their job, that's a sympathetic group. Americans are tuned into that, because they're worried they'll be next."

Indeed, these proposals are coming at a time when more Americans find themselves in need of public assistance.

Although the number of TANF recipients has stayed relatively stable at 3.8 million in the last year, claims for unemployment benefits and food stamps have soared.

In December, more than 31.7 million Americans were receiving food stamp benefits, compared with 27.5 million the year before.

The link between public assistance and drug testing stems from the Congressional overhaul of welfare in the 1990s, which allowed states to implement drug testing as a condition of receiving help.

But a federal court struck down a Michigan law that would have allowed for "random, suspicionless" testing, saying it violated the 4th Amendment's protections against unreasonable search and seizure, said Liz Schott, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

At least six states , Indiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, Wisconsin and Virginia , tie eligibility for some public assistance to drug testing for convicted felons or parolees, according to the NCSL.

Nelson said programs that screen welfare applicants by assigning them to case workers for interviews have shown some success without the need for drug tests. These alternative measures offer treatment, but can also threaten future benefits if drug problems persist, she said.

They also cost less than the $400 or so needed for tests that can catch a sufficient range of illegal drugs, and rule out false positive results with a follow-up test, she said.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 10:29 AM
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capping lottery winnings to $600 is a great idea, too. Never thought of that.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RB
capping lottery winnings to $600 is a great idea, too. Never thought of that.
is that also funded by tax money?
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Nec
is that also funded by tax money?
What do you mean? Lotto funds are funded by people who buy the tickets.

This cap would mean that anybody receiving public funds can't win more than $600 on the lotto...if they're receiving public funds, they shouldn't be spending any money on such frivelous things as the lotto.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Nec
is that also funded by tax money?
the way i read the bill is people on welfare can only win up to $600

so if your on welfare and win 10k you can only get $600

i'm not sure if i like that one or not
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RB
What do you mean? Lotto funds are funded by people who buy the tickets.

This cap would mean that anybody receiving public funds can't win more than $600 on the lotto...if they're receiving public funds, they shouldn't be spending any money on such frivelous things as the lotto.
ah i see why you are saying that - (didnt read the article was too long - thought you were just making that statement)

i thought you were just saying in general to cap lotto winnings at $600 which would mean i cant win that mega million
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 10:57 AM
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I haven't taken a drug test since I was 17 :rick:


But sounds good to me. I'm sure the aclu and the sharptons/jacksons will get their panties in a bunch, but I have no problem with the idea.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 11:11 AM
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In some parts of WV it is real bad, and others the unemployment rates are super low. Usually follows the counties and areas that are meth and crack havens.

I am all for it.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 11:14 AM
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f this crap, i get food stamps and cant pass a ua
does that mean im abusing the system?

people need to take responsibility, not have the gov't force punishments on them

it just makes me think of being in scotland on the coast and walking along these high cliff paths, no guardrails or anything, its your own damn fault if you fall and die
in the US there are signs and railings and people would sue the gov't if they jumped off themselves and broke their neck instead of dying

i dont like the idea of people using welfare money for stupid shit, but they are stupid people, maybe we should try educating them instead of just giving them money
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