Originally Posted by KirkLS

Not a good example
Arnold is like the most liberal conservative there is.

Originally Posted by MrFatbooty

Interesting that hardly anyone commented on the content of the film other than "health care," or other comments along the lines of "commie pinko." And we've already gotten to the "if you don't like America then leave"/"well we can change stuff!" point.

SO without further ado.........

I think the healthcare industry is immensely fucked up but then again it's sort of an outside-looking-in type of situation for me because my parents always had good health insurance when I was a kid, I now have good health insurance of my own, and I don't have any life-threatening illnesses such that I need frequent medical care anyway. That said, plenty of people in this country who pay good money for health insurance get fucked over when they really need help and that's what they've been paying for in the first place.

I do not think a single-payer system like Canada that Mr. Moore calls for in his movie would be a good idea, because my taxes would go up and the people who right now have access to the *best* care would not have access to that same care when everyone's got the same government health plan. I want the best care, I work my ass off to get good money in the bank, and I don't want to have the "good enough for everyone" level of care associated with a single-payer system. Not to mention that it turns an entire private industry into a nationalized one.

I actually really like Mitt Romney's plan that he got done in Massachusetts, which by the way you hardly ever hear about out of his campaign because he's trying to win over the "I hate commie pinkos" crowd who are more interested in things like kicking A-rab ass in far flung parts of the world, getting rid of Mexicans, and most certainly would not listen to a candidate who says anything along the lines of anything other than the party line.

Basically employers who offer really spiffy health insurance as a perk to their higher-paid employees are still able to offer that perk, but there's a bit of shuffling around of money such that lower-income people are more able to buy at least halfway decent insurance so they get a minimum level of care they need. It doesn't put the government in the health insurance business (any more than it already is, of course) and certainly doesn't bankrupt an entire industry along with all of its associated jobs.

It'd be nice if that same system were implemented at the federal level, because that way companies who do work in multiple states would be spared the expense of doing all the logistics to work with each individual state's requirements. But hey, whatever, let's not worry about making improvements in this system that the film points out in an admittedly partisan manner, and instead just call names or agree 100% with the guy.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes!!!!!!"

Originally Posted by Derek

I'd have more respect for him if he showed just the facts and not manipulated propaganda. I think they only thing I liked from him was Canadian Bacon.

Originally Posted by ISP James

so you mean like 90% of all media outlets in the US? what movie maker/actor/celebrity have you ever seen stand up for the right wing side of america?

Originally Posted by redgoober4life

examples?

Originally Posted by Chefboiali

What I'm saying is that I can't stand right wingers, and anyone who makes a movie that shines light on their mediocrity gets the :bigok: from me. Fiction or not.

As for a movie maker standing up for the right wing, my friend is currently editing a documentary on the right wing. It's kinda anti Michael Moore. I've me him. He's actually a pretty cool guy.

Originally Posted by RB26DETT

ok communist.

Originally Posted by RB26DETT

work hard -> make money -> good health care
work hard -> make too little money -> you suck
no work -> make no money -> stop leeching from my tax money

the way it should be in very general terms.