Notices
The Basement Non-Honda/Acura discussion. Content should be tasteful and "primetime" safe.

Eminent Domain v2.0

Thread Tools
 
Old Jul 6, 2005 | 11:11 AM
  #21  
antarius's Avatar
antarius
Large Member
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 4,735
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area, CA
Default

Originally Posted by qtiger
You mean back when the Republicans DID stand for states rights?
They still do.

Though the Schiavo case really bothered me on a states right level.
Reply
Old Jul 6, 2005 | 11:16 AM
  #22  
Epoch's Avatar
Epoch
CHRISTMASTIME IN IRAQ
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 12,413
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area
Default

Originally Posted by antarius
They still do.

Though the Schiavo case really bothered me on a states right level.

What's interesting is that we're witnessing a HUGE shift in party dynamics, where some certain core values are being traded back and forth between the parties. Wouldn't be the first time in US history that it's happened.
Reply
Old Jul 6, 2005 | 12:24 PM
  #23  
antarius's Avatar
antarius
Large Member
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 4,735
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area, CA
Default

Originally Posted by Epoch
What's interesting is that we're witnessing a HUGE shift in party dynamics, where some certain core values are being traded back and forth between the parties. Wouldn't be the first time in US history that it's happened.
Agree'd, 100%.
Reply
Old Jul 6, 2005 | 04:13 PM
  #24  
qtiger's Avatar
qtiger
Moderator
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 11,776
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by antarius
They still do.

Though the Schiavo case really bothered me on a states right level.

What about marriage law? Traditionally a power of the state.

Education?
Reply
Old Jul 6, 2005 | 04:46 PM
  #25  
Epoch's Avatar
Epoch
CHRISTMASTIME IN IRAQ
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 12,413
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area
Default

Originally Posted by qtiger
What about marriage law? Traditionally a power of the state.

Education?
Actually, what they did to gay marriage wasn't an infringement of federal upon states rights... All they did was say that states could reject the authenticity of wedding documents from other states, which I feel is a violation of federal and constitutional rights, because then it assumes that fully binding legal documents can be found void in other states, and it violates the 14th ammendment.

Also, in the US, "seperate but equal" is not an acceptable solution.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2005 | 05:25 AM
  #26  
qtiger's Avatar
qtiger
Moderator
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 11,776
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Epoch
Actually, what they did to gay marriage wasn't an infringement of federal upon states rights... All they did was say that states could reject the authenticity of wedding documents from other states, which I feel is a violation of federal and constitutional rights, because then it assumes that fully binding legal documents can be found void in other states, and it violates the 14th ammendment.

Also, in the US, "seperate but equal" is not an acceptable solution.
The point is they are trying to intervene at the federal level. Why is a federal amendment needed when the states are creating their own amendments?
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2005 | 06:27 AM
  #27  
Epoch's Avatar
Epoch
CHRISTMASTIME IN IRAQ
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 12,413
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area
Default

Originally Posted by qtiger
The point is they are trying to intervene at the federal level. Why is a federal amendment needed when the states are creating their own amendments?
Well, because they fear (dislike, whatever excuse-du-jour) same-sex marriage, and if one state passed a same-sex marriage, then all the states would have to honor it. It would take one Vermont, and suddenly everywhere in the US gay couples could be married, as long as the knot was tied in VT.

Not a problem to me, but many people seem to have a problem with it :dunno:
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2005 | 06:55 PM
  #28  
Bl@ck's Avatar
Bl@ck
Thread Starter
Sinner
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 6,599
Likes: 0
From: NoVA
Default

Originally Posted by antarius
They still do.

Though the Schiavo case really bothered me on a states right level.
neither party stands for states rights anymore. the republican party is the big government party while the democratic party is the bigger government party.
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2005 | 10:26 AM
  #29  
qtiger's Avatar
qtiger
Moderator
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 11,776
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by /^Blackbacca^\
neither party stands for states rights anymore. the republican party is the big government party while the democratic party is the bigger government party.
Precisely.


Although the definition of bigger is up for grabs, one wants one area bigger, the other wants a different area bigger.
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2005 | 12:09 PM
  #30  
DVPGSR's Avatar
DVPGSR
I need sleep...
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,632
Likes: 0
From: NH
Default

Originally Posted by Epoch
Also, in the US, "seperate but equal" is not an acceptable solution.
In the US we also have "seperation of Church and State" and when a state re-defines a religous term to meet a social demand the two are no longer seperate.

As for the eminent domain issue I thought it was a bunch of BS when I was in CT and I still think that it is still a bunch of BS now. The Supreme Court has basically said that any person that will come and improve upon the value of their property is free to take it from you as long as the town agrees. This is simething that can easily happen to anyone because unless your name happens to be Bill Gates there is someone richer than you are out there that can make more money off your property for the town than you can.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:39 PM.