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Old May 11, 2005 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Tinker Bell
BTW I used to be an illegal immigrant and you could say that I crossed the border Illegaly
when I was 2 yrs old like I had a choice. thank god I was able to become a citizen of the great country and thats why I understand some of your points of views but
thats also why Im stuck between because Ive lived both sides of the ordeal.
I understand your view on it and I have had many friends who came over in the same situation, but honestly (nothing personal) your parents should have been deported back to where they came from along with you and your siblings. I am not trying to be a hard ass because that really isn't how I am.

The thing is if you are going to have laws they need to be enforced equally across the board regardless of intention an illegal act is an illegal act.

If I were to steal a car because I had to get to a job interview and was planning to return the car after I was done do you think it would be taken into consideration and I would be let go to continue my drive to the interview? It's a minor crime after all and I had good intentions.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 09:25 AM
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I dont know about any other country but its quite hard for an average mexican to come into the US legally, in order to get a passport you have to have $$$ in the bank and quite a bit of it and you have to have properties so you can prove your planning on coming back. And all these requirements are nearly imossible to an average mexican. I was once told by a friend who was here illegaly that if he had all these requirements that he had no need to come into this country to seek a better fortune if he already had properties and $$$ in the bank.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
I understand your view on it and I have had many friends who came over in the same situation, but honestly (nothing personal) your parents should have been deported back to where they came from along with you and your siblings. I am not trying to be a hard ass because that really isn't how I am.

they should have gotten their green cards taken away because they were already legal than h:

Originally Posted by Nightshade
If I were to steal a car because I had to get to a job interview and was planning to return the car after I was done do you think it would be taken into consideration and I would be let go to continue my drive to the interview? It's a minor crime after all and I had good intentions.

you kinda shut me up with this great example h:
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Old May 11, 2005 | 09:36 AM
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There's another issue here that everyone seems to forget.

I don't care if illegal aliens spend 500 BILLION in tax dollars and funded every last drop of this country; Which they don't by the way, last year in California they cost just our educational system over 4 BILLION, but lets ignore that.

An issue that no one ever brings up, is the principle of the issue. They are here illegally. They break the law on a day in and day out basis by living here, in fact, the habitual illegals, the one's who never become legal citizens, are fine with doing that because they don't have to pay taxes in a lot of cases, they get paid cash, they still send their now legal-American children to American-funded schools, and all the while they're completely untracable by the U.S. law enforcement agencies.

That is wrong.

What's most wrong about it is hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children, citizens and immigrants alike, died to protect this country from people being able to just come in here and do whatever they want with no recourse or penalty for breaking the laws and freedoms that we have come accostomed to, and worked so very hard for over the past 200 years.

When you reward illegal aliens, you basically throw all that hard work out the window merely because it seems like a problem that is too hard to tackle, or will cost too much money, and as a result you're basically saying that all the hundreds of thousands of those who died to let us have what we have today, wasn't worth it because when it comes our time to do something difficult to keep this country safe, prosperous and proper, we decide its not worth it.

That's just wrong. Plain and simple. Wrong.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Tinker Bell
I dont know about any other country but its quite hard for an average mexican to come into the US legally, in order to get a passport you have to have $$$ in the bank and quite a bit of it and you have to have properties so you can prove your planning on coming back. And all these requirements are nearly imossible to an average mexican. I was once told by a friend who was here illegaly that if he had all these requirements that he had no need to come into this country to seek a better fortune if he already had properties and $$$ in the bank.
I am not up on what it takes for a person to become a "legal" citizen but it should be tough for a person to become one. If it costs a lot of money then so be it. Look at how much its costing the US to pay for those who are here illegally. Possibly that is why it costs so much for a person to become legal.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Tinker Bell
I dont know about any other country but its quite hard for an average mexican to come into the US legally, in order to get a passport you have to have $$$ in the bank and quite a bit of it and you have to have properties so you can prove your planning on coming back. And all these requirements are nearly imossible to an average mexican. I was once told by a friend who was here illegaly that if he had all these requirements that he had no need to come into this country to seek a better fortune if he already had properties and $$$ in the bank.
Now that's just an exaggeration; Because by your logic no one would come here legally. We know that's false, because the U.S. gets more legal migrants than any other country on the planet. It also gets more illegal migrants.

I do agree it is difficult to come here legally, and I am all for making it easier to come here legally; But the other part of the equasion is we need to make it harder to come here illegally, and punish those who do rather than reward them.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Tinker Bell
I dont know about any other country but its quite hard for an average mexican to come into the US legally, in order to get a passport you have to have $$$ in the bank and quite a bit of it and you have to have properties so you can prove your planning on coming back. And all these requirements are nearly imossible to an average mexican. I was once told by a friend who was here illegaly that if he had all these requirements that he had no need to come into this country to seek a better fortune if he already had properties and $$$ in the bank.
This is true for most unsponsored applicants, you need to show financial stability so that you don't become a burden on the state. The other option is to get a sponsor, who guarantees your financial situation. A lot of employers will sponsor immigrant workers, so it is possible to get accepted as a U.S. citizen without being rich. Relatives and friends are also good sponsors. My parents were sponsored by my dad's workplace at the time.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 11:54 AM
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All you need is a work visa and a place where you are going to work. You then work, pay taxes and study for your citizenship test.

Another thing that has not been mentioned, is the number of illegals in prison. About a quarter of the inmates in the CA state prisons are illegal aliens, why we are housing them is beyond me. I say, load up Con Air and fly their asses to some island in the middle of nowhere and drop them off.

Of course, this is just a bunch of pointless ranting and it is a problem that will never be solved because it is not politically expedient.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 01:00 PM
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The whole thing about it costing to much to come here doesnt hold any water. My parents came here as students and they paid their dues. They weren't rich they came out of Africa but they knew they had to work hard and get the money to get here and thats what they did. I have cousins back in Africa that want to come here. They can easily be supported by my family and find jobs, they were all raised in english speaking schools. but they still can't come in, and they aren't making any plans to come here illegally. They will just keep trying the legal channels untill it works for them. My biggest problem with illegal immigrants is that they act like just because the U.S. is on their border they can hop into it and use the system like we owe them something because they are on the border. But the illegal ones that do come here and make this place a better nation by working to get their citizenship and then raising hard working kids are the ones that i want to vouch for. But it still stands the did break the law they are criminals. So yeah i think it should be easier to get in legally, and harder illegally.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 01:18 PM
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they come to canada to but health care is free, it seems like we don't have a problem with providing the sick/poor with treatment(s) why would you guys?
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