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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKarMaul
no I'm being honest. it's a fact.
yup the US and all it's regulatory agencies make sure all factories are up to code with pollution and etc unlike in developing nations who have no regulations.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKarMaul
except neither of those solutions are feasible right now and if only say the US did it. it wouldn't make a big difference at all.

the main failing point is that unless everyone did it, it wouldn't matter.
Well, the tidal utilization is based of technology pioneered in europe, and usage of jojoba would be better left to countries like Mexico with large uncultivated deserts. I picked these two because while they can't happen tomorrow, will be very applicable within a decade or two... which would be the soonest to retrofit the infrastructure needed. But, we need to decide on what to do in the next 5-10 years, or else our window of opportunity will be less than optimal.

Hybrid technology is the immediate solution, but that's not being well accepted because Detroit is having a hard time adopting the technology
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:42 AM
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It's altogether too much of a literal "damned if you do, damned if you don't" approach... BUT the failure to act upon this problem will have much more dire consequences than overenforcement. It's easier to rebuild an economy than to restore habitats.

that can be argued both ways. if given enough resource (ie money) habitats can be restored. It was done in Seoul, Korea in preparation for the 88 Summer Olympics.

Me I'm just going to enjoy life while I still have the ability to do so Umm while feeling a little guilty somewhere in the back of my mind.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Epoch
Well, the tidal utilization is based of technology pioneered in europe, and usage of jojoba would be better left to countries like Mexico with large uncultivated deserts. I picked these two because while they can't happen tomorrow, will be very applicable within a decade or two... which would be the soonest to retrofit the infrastructure needed. But, we need to decide on what to do in the next 5-10 years, or else our window of opportunity will be less than optimal.

Hybrid technology is the immediate solution, but that's not being well accepted because Detroit is having a hard time adopting the technology

right but it has to be a united global effort, which I don't see happening in my life time.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthony
yup the US and all it's regulatory agencies make sure all factories are up to code with pollution and etc unlike in developing nations who have no regulations.
yeah, but our regulations stink. Like, there's no limits like mercury emission from coal plants, and other such... And, the best part is that these emissions can be cut to 90% of their currently level with minimal additional costs to the energy producers...
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Epoch
Please, provide me with the proof you deem lacking from my arguement and prove me wrong. Also, please provide proof by an internationally recognized research institute that your fact on near-recent global fluctations were normal... I would like to learn more about that.



It's unfortunate that you don't understand how climate change will cause many, many things to be disturbed beyond rainfall. Please, tell me how well educated you are in global weather patterns
in response to your first comment. It has been a proven fact, in textbooks (some of which i have had), that the global climate does change and when it does the CO2 cycle tries to keep it in balance. Water is meant to absorb the excess CO2 in the atmosphere to drive the levels down because as CO2 sinks into the water it eventually dissolves into the material in the ocean (the rocks) and eventually is released again from volcanoes. This controls the climate and the greenhouse effect from running ravagely out of hand. That is why there is no more ice age today because of the global warming.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKarMaul
that can be argued both ways. if given enough resource (ie money) habitats can be restored. It was done in Seoul, Korea in preparation for the 88 Summer Olympics.

Me I'm just going to enjoy life while I still have the ability to do so Umm while feeling a little guilty somewhere in the back of my mind.
Same here... but I'm gonna try my best to correct what I think is correctable. I couldn't sit around and let it just pass over us in good concious.

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right but it has to be a united global effort, which I don't see happening in my life time.
True, but there's not much else we can do besides choke ourselves to death. So why not try to prevent things from getting worse by doing things that, in fact, make me feel better and does 6 billion people good?
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthony
in response to your first comment. It has been a proven fact, in textbooks (some of which i have had), that the global climate does change and when it does the CO2 cycle tries to keep it in balance. Water is meant to absorb the excess CO2 in the atmosphere to drive the levels down because as CO2 sinks into the water it eventually dissolves into the material in the ocean (the rocks) and eventually is released again from volcanoes. This controls the climate and the greenhouse effect from running ravagely out of hand. That is why there is no more ice age today because of the global warming.


Oh yeah... I know that... that's what I spent a fair portion of my college career studying. The issue at hand is that suddenly, we're unlocking huge amounts of hydrocarbons from these stored resources (Notably, trees and oil) and doing damage to the ecosystems that trap this excess carbon (Trees again, but also oceanic algae). This is a problem. And while I do agree that the planet will balance itself out given enough time, which it's good at, life for us will suck and be drastically different for us in the end, pending we haven't blown each other up by then. And by us I don't mean the US speicifcally, as most of us have enough money to run to new land and pretend everything's alright. By us I mean everyone, including the 3rd world countries who's cheap economies we depend upon.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Epoch
yeah, but our regulations stink. Like, there's no limits like mercury emission from coal plants, and other such... And, the best part is that these emissions can be cut to 90% of their currently level with minimal additional costs to the energy producers...
The problem is, everyone complains about mercury and coal but then freaks out about the idea of Nuclear power.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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What country emits the most greenhouse gas?
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