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Originally Posted by ISP James
this is not why they cancelled him, read the articles.
they cancelled him citing threats to him and the college.
they cancelled him citing threats to him and the college.
Originally Posted by ISP James
i dont think that this is a discussion of the 1st amendment. i think it is a discussion of horrible judgement on the part of Hamilton when they decided to invite this guy and give him an auditorium, a microphone, and a croud to listen to his absurd views.
It's not a violation of the 1st amendment, because the school didn't say he couldn't become a student and talk to all of his buddies on campus about that.
The government didn't say he can't go setup his own booth and speak about it.
The school simply decided that it wasn't appropriate for their atmosphere and that they would not be paying him -- and then not be sponsoring the event in any manner -- due to the damage it would most certainly cause the school in future enrollments.
1st amendment rights violation would be if the government said he can't speak about that anywhere, or if the school told a student he couldn't make a sign depicting 9/11 in a positive light, it does not mean the school can't decide what its speakers can or cannot say -- and it doesn't mean that if those speakers that are set to come on school property and speak decide to speak on a subject that is disliked or inappropriate in the schools term, the school can't tell him he isn't welcome.
The government didn't say he can't go setup his own booth and speak about it.
The school simply decided that it wasn't appropriate for their atmosphere and that they would not be paying him -- and then not be sponsoring the event in any manner -- due to the damage it would most certainly cause the school in future enrollments.
1st amendment rights violation would be if the government said he can't speak about that anywhere, or if the school told a student he couldn't make a sign depicting 9/11 in a positive light, it does not mean the school can't decide what its speakers can or cannot say -- and it doesn't mean that if those speakers that are set to come on school property and speak decide to speak on a subject that is disliked or inappropriate in the schools term, the school can't tell him he isn't welcome.
Originally Posted by Grand Moff Tark_0
is that what you think?
i think what he said is heinous but im not questioning his right to say it, i do think some things are smarter to keep to yourself, its a wonder this moron is still alive.
but yeah, i think that Hamilton displayed extremely poor judgement when asking him to come and speak... they have been doing a wonderful job of making stupid moves as of late. asking a convicted explosives crazy to come teach a course there?? (should i say here, yeah its my hometown and i care) but that is another discussion altogether.
Originally Posted by antarius
and it doesn't mean that if those speakers that are set to come on school property and speak decide to speak on a subject that is disliked or inappropriate in the schools term, the school can't tell him he isn't welcome.
on the contrary, the property is private, they can pull the plug on him if a speaker were to start to orate on a topic that is deemed inappropriate.
Originally Posted by DRfrank
because thats the only way they could squeeze out of the binding contract
you are a slow learner. they invited him to come speak about this 9/11 belief somehow not knowing that it would incite such controversy.... shows how smart they are....
Originally Posted by ISP James
i think what he said is heinous but im not questioning his right to say it, i do think some things are smarter to keep to yourself, its a wonder this moron is still alive.
but yeah, i think that Hamilton displayed extremely poor judgement when asking him to come and speak... they have been doing a wonderful job of making stupid moves as of late. asking a convicted explosives crazy to come teach a course there?? (should i say here, yeah its my hometown and i care) but that is another discussion altogether.
but yeah, i think that Hamilton displayed extremely poor judgement when asking him to come and speak... they have been doing a wonderful job of making stupid moves as of late. asking a convicted explosives crazy to come teach a course there?? (should i say here, yeah its my hometown and i care) but that is another discussion altogether.
I don't mind that he says those things; It just shows how loony and ridiculous he is. What I do mind is the fact that Hamilton had the complete lack of judgement to book someone like that to speak to their students.
It'd be no different than a black college booking a KKK member to speak about how all blacks deserve to be hung and then cancelling his booking when they found out who he really was and what he was going to talk about.
Terrible judgement on the part of the school, not a 1st amendment violation *and* a smart move to cancel the booking.
Originally Posted by ISP James
on the contrary, the property is private, they can pull the plug on him if a speaker were to start to orate on a topic that is deemed inappropriate.
If it's a private entity that's an obvious no brainer; But even if it's a public school and they *book* or *invite* someone to come and speak about something, and it turns out the man was going to speak about something totally inappropriate; Even the public school in that case can pull the plug and it's not a 1st amendment violation.
It's a simple choice to not invite that speaker to the campus, to willingly allow him to say that kind of crap.
Now if he walked up in front of campus and started his own speech in a legal manner, then the school couldn't do anything about it obviously.
at first they brought him in to speak about his activism toward the rights of native americans. fair enough and galant enough. when they learned about this 9/11 matter, they changed the agenda to offer him a chance to speak about it.... so they certainly knew what they were getting into
Originally Posted by ISP James
and what orginization of any esteem (Hamilton prides themselves on being top crust) would facilitate such opinion?
i dont think that this is a discussion of the 1st amendment. i think it is a discussion of horrible judgement on the part of Hamilton when they decided to invite this guy and give him an auditorium, a microphone, and a croud to listen to his absurd views.
i dont think that this is a discussion of the 1st amendment. i think it is a discussion of horrible judgement on the part of Hamilton when they decided to invite this guy and give him an auditorium, a microphone, and a croud to listen to his absurd views.
Good point. Does this guy have the right to say what he wants? Sure. Should a college in good conciousness or any place for that matter invite him to speak? I don't think so. Then again I don't know how Michael Moore is given the chance to speak at so many colleges. Oh yes that's right I remember, because many colleges are breading grounds for liberal bs.


