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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by REbornHONDAneer
IE has a build number? Hmm....I didn't know this. Avant is just "cover" for IE. Firefox is a standalone browser with compatiblity issues and I've seen them first hand, multiple times.
Avant is just a mask for IE. IE has compatiblity problems too, millions have seen the problems first hand. Just ask anyone that works a lot with CSS. IE has never had great support for CSS.

If IE was so great, why is FF doing so well before it's even offically released?
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by REbornHONDAneer
IE has a build number? Hmm....I didn't know this. Avant is just "cover" for IE. Firefox is a standalone browser with compatiblity issues and I've seen them first hand, multiple times.
In fact, IE does have a build number (click Help -> About, if you're using XP with SP2 you're probably on 2180), but I was really just talking smack about Avant. Even though its just a "cover," it still has issues:

http://www.avantbrowser.com/new.html

Avant Browser 10.0 Build 029, Released: 10.19.2004

* Fixed the bug that result in GDI/Memory Leak.
* Fixed the bug of Fav-Icon downloader that might result in instable problem.
* Re-arranged Options Windows.
* Improved translations.


I'm also not sure what you mean by "cover."

http://www.avantbrowser.com/faq.html

What is Avant Browser?

Avant Browser can be best described as a custom web browser application. Avant Browser is a standalone application designed to expand services provided by Microsoft Internet Explorer.



I'm not saying that Firefox is perfect, but on most systems it will load faster and parse web pages faster than IE while using less memory. It can be visually modified and the plugin library is enormous. The fact that Firefox doesn't suffer from the endless parade of exploits that IE provides is just icing on the cake.
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by clickwir
Avant is just a mask for IE. IE has compatiblity problems too, millions have seen the problems first hand. Just ask anyone that works a lot with CSS. IE has never had great support for CSS.

If IE was so great, why is FF doing so well before it's even offically released?
Yes, IE does officially SUCK when it comes to rendering CSS.

To be honest, FF has some serious issues with CSS too - but since it's not completed or "offically released" yet, I wont complain about it.
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 09:54 AM
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avant sucks too, ie problems + avant problems = a big mess, all it is is ie with tabs and some other useless features.
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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 09:59 AM
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Your Logitech keyboard doesnt support FF. h:
I know, I told you that. h:
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by benjamin
In fact, IE does have a build number (click Help -> About, if you're using XP with SP2 you're probably on 2180), but I was really just talking smack about Avant. Even though its just a "cover," it still has issues:

http://www.avantbrowser.com/new.html

Avant Browser 10.0 Build 029, Released: 10.19.2004

* Fixed the bug that result in GDI/Memory Leak.
* Fixed the bug of Fav-Icon downloader that might result in instable problem.
* Re-arranged Options Windows.
* Improved translations.


I'm also not sure what you mean by "cover."

http://www.avantbrowser.com/faq.html

What is Avant Browser?

Avant Browser can be best described as a custom web browser application. Avant Browser is a standalone application designed to expand services provided by Microsoft Internet Explorer.



I'm not saying that Firefox is perfect, but on most systems it will load faster and parse web pages faster than IE while using less memory. It can be visually modified and the plugin library is enormous. The fact that Firefox doesn't suffer from the endless parade of exploits that IE provides is just icing on the cake.
Note taken. I've had FAR less problems with IE standalone and Avant than FF. I'm a person who highly highly values tab saving. FF sometimes crashed or lost my tabs(actually the extension did it, not entirely FF's fault). I also don't have the web page rendering problems with IE or Avant as I did with FF.

I've never had an "exploit" problem with any microsoft program. I don't see why everyone hates microsoft so much(crap this is going to start an argument).

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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 11:31 AM
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hmm, should I look into FF? I don't have a logitech keyboard :hogglez:
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by REbornHONDAneer
I don't see why everyone hates microsoft so much(crap this is going to start an argument).
Monopoly.

Having too much of a market controlled by one company upsets the balance and doesn't give comsumers enough choices, reliability, and price.

Imagine if everyone drove a Ford. Highways only supported Ford. Pulling up to a McD or BK, you had to be driving a Ford. Goto the track you have to drive a Ford. Ford wants more money, sure just increase the price by 10% for no reason... what are consumers going to do? Goto someone else? There is noone else. Kinda sucks if you just don't like anything Ford has to offer and want a choice.
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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by REbornHONDAneer
I've never had an "exploit" problem with any microsoft program. I don't see why everyone hates microsoft so much(crap this is going to start an argument).
I don't hate Microsoft. I disagree with the philosophy behind their product and I find that their software is often buggy in obvious ways, difficult to use for obvious reasons, and difficult to modify without causing needless performance or stability issues.

Put simply: if your software company had billions in the bank and some of the brightest programmers on Earth, would you be satisfied with a crappy product? Would you expect your customers to be satisfied with it?

Once upon a time I was happy with Netscape, but it has become a really crappy, bloated product. Ditto Realplayer. Even Windows 2000 Professional was a decent product, but Windows XP is substantially slower without being substantially better. Adobe Photoshop gets slower with every release, but it always brings something special to the table.

While you personally may have never seen your Windows PC been exploited, it happens. A lot. If you're really interested in the subject, check out www.securityfocus.com. The Editor of the site is a really sharp guy named Kevin Poulsen.
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