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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 10:35 AM
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I think in words, but there are obviously concepts that defy articulation (i.e. emotions, etc), so i'm incapable of thinking about a potentially large pool of concepts because I cannot articulate them. I can have feelings about something I can't describe, but I'm not sure I can actually have rational thought about them.

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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 12:32 PM
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... then your not truely creative, are you?

Its not a matter of whether you can think of it or not, or whether you can articulate and comprehend the thought. I get plenty of ideas in my head, and many of which I could only try and apply, and could not even attempt to articulate.
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by white_n_slow
I think in words, but there are obviously concepts that defy articulation (i.e. emotions, etc), so i'm incapable of thinking about a potentially large pool of concepts because I cannot articulate them. I can have feelings about something I can't describe, but I'm not sure I can actually have rational thought about them.

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you're more or less tapping a percentage of your brain that you cant conciously understand or put into words yet, but the potential is there to comprehend
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 12:51 PM
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i use symbols and metaphors
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 01:38 PM
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But yes, communication hinders your ability to express thoughts. h:
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 01:55 PM
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however, we can think in groups. Like we don't have to mentally pronounce every word in a paragraph.
Whenever we are pressed, we can think about a paragraph a second.
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 02:32 PM
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Sounds to me like you need to work on your vocabulary
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by white_n_slow
I think in words, but there are obviously concepts that defy articulation (i.e. emotions, etc), so i'm incapable of thinking about a potentially large pool of concepts because I cannot articulate them. I can have feelings about something I can't describe, but I'm not sure I can actually have rational thought about them.

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I think I see what you're saying. A friend of mine told me about a metaphysics problem one of his comp sci professors told him about. The scenario is this:

You're talking to an alien on another planet, but you don't know where the planet is and you don't know what the alien looks like. The alien can speak and understand English and understands as much math as you can explain. Now describe right and left.

If I've accurately repeated it, there is no solution to this problem. (I'll check with my friend the next time I talk to him.)

The point is that articulating abstractions isn't impossible as long as there is a common framework between two people. "Right" and "left" are totally arbitrary words for a spatial concept -- movement in two or more dimensions.
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 07:16 PM
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the worst is when you look at situations, and they kinda form this kinda abstract pattern in your head, and you can't explain it to anyone h:
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by benjamin
I think I see what you're saying. A friend of mine told me about a metaphysics problem one of his comp sci professors told him about. The scenario is this:

You're talking to an alien on another planet, but you don't know where the planet is and you don't know what the alien looks like. The alien can speak and understand English and understands as much math as you can explain. Now describe right and left.

If I've accurately repeated it, there is no solution to this problem. (I'll check with my friend the next time I talk to him.)

The point is that articulating abstractions isn't impossible as long as there is a common framework between two people. "Right" and "left" are totally arbitrary words for a spatial concept -- movement in two or more dimensions.
I dont think right and left is so complicated to explain... Just tell the alien that its on either side of an vertical axis (real or imaginary)... in some case Human body being the axis or anthing else! I think that it really is a lack of vocabulary, I myself have a hard time trying to explain thing in englsih but i have no problem to explain them in french as it is my first language, and that i read alot in french...
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