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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by redgoober4life
Had it been implemented before 9/11 do you think 9/11 would not have happened?
I think it would have had a much less likely chance of it happening, but to say any one thing would have stopped it is nonsense.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by redgoober4life
Had it been implemented before 9/11 do you think 9/11 would not have happened?
it definately wouldn't of hurt.

not to mention, i seriously doubt they would have tried any shit like that if our security was as tight then as it is now. i think airlines are 100% safer now than they were in 2001.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by antarius
I think it would have had a much less likely chance of it happening, but to say any one thing would have stopped it is nonsense.
Then what else would have stopped it?
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 12:37 PM
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by redgoober4life
Then what else would have stopped it?
There was a huge chain of events that lead to 911, no one person or one thing could have stopped it.

I suppose if you want to be technical, armed Air Marshalls could have stopped the hijackings from reaching the point they did.

The lists of names would definitely have helped, so would have the capture of Osama Bin Laden in 1998, so would have the fortifying of the Cockpit doors, and I guess just as equally if we were all Muslim and/or stopped supporting Israel it may have not happened.

There's a thousand ways you can look back and say how it could have been prevented, but really, when it comes down to it, no one thing can guarentee that it wont happen again.

Well, except for the will of the American people. I don't see American Civilians on any flight allowing Terrorists to take control of planes ever again, at least not for any prolonged period of time.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
The net's too wide, it's been too wide, and it's going to stay too wide. A certain period of acclimation is to be expected. Three years ago when I got pulled out of every single line every single time when I got on an airplane, because I had an afro, I thought, okay, well 9/11 just happened. But it's 2004, not 2001, and I would expect the kinks to have been worked out of the system.
Cry me a river. Out of the 4 times I've flown since 9/11, I've been pulled to the "extra" security check twice. It's not because of your fro, it's random.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dubster99
Cry me a river. Out of the 4 times I've flown since 9/11, I've been pulled to the "extra" security check twice. It's not because of your fro, it's random.
But having an afro 2 years ago was the super cool thing to do!!
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
Mike, if these people are not US citizens, why do we need to even worry about their 4th Ammendment rights?
Ted Kennedy isn't a US citizen? Business travelers aren't US citizens?
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I'm not saying we can't improve upon the system, I just don't think it's spread "too wide" as you think.
Apparently a lot of business travelers who hop around the country end up on this list because of "suspicious flying patterns."

Another problem is that people who have the same first and last name but a different middle name from someone on the list periodically get stopped because the system doesn't automatically check middle initials.
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Would you rather a mistake happen to Teddy Kennedy and he missed his flight or to the fictional person Ramzi al-Mustafa who was able to get onto a flight because of an oversight and ram it into the Empire State Building or the Sears Tower?

I preffer to err on the side of caution.
You guys all consider making overbroad security sweeps "erring on the side of caution." I personally would rather see the same level of effectiveness in flagging actual terrorists without making the rest of the people submit to any controls.

Fourth amendment rights are very much a slippery slope, and as soon as the people get complacent about their willingness to be unduly searched, the more potential there is for abuse of those fourth amendment rights.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 06:35 PM
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Makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing it took them till he got on the plane before he knew he shouldn't be on there.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
You guys all consider making overbroad security sweeps "erring on the side of caution." I personally would rather see the same level of effectiveness in flagging actual terrorists without making the rest of the people submit to any controls.
If you have better suggestions on how to target just terrorists without profiling (because we all know the ACLU would be all over that in a heartbeat) by all means please share it. Till then there has been no sound or persuasive argument that says infringing on the 4th ammendment rights of the very few to protect the masses in a wrong or bad move.
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