Oh, I see. I must have stepped on your toes in another thread or something. You just re-hashed what I said to you as if I'd learn something. Thanks for taking the time to over-explain the science I dropped on you just 15 minutes earlier.

You don't live in Georgia do you? I did, I got much of my education there. I lived there on and off for 14 years of my life. My parents still live there, so does my sister, and I was there just last week visiting...

Georgia is as a bible-belt democratic state, all the way. From the voters to the senators. Rich with ethnicity of all types. The vast majority of that state sees eye-to-eye with Zell Miller. They love him. He has an outstanding approval rating with Georgians. You didn't hear negative things about Zell until this speech, and all of them have been attacks from people who don't know what a good job he does at home... and this is all because what works for Democrats in GA doesn't work for every democrat in the US??? Please. One patriotic speech and the rest of the democrats are ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater... I swear. Solidarity...

 

It's really quite simple, the Democratic party is a national organization and has a national agenda. He's disavowed his allegiance to the party just as much as the party has disowned him.

 

PS: Do you honestly think more than 30% of this country has enough faith in John Kerry running this country to actually vote for him when the time comes? This election's not going to be another 50/50. I haven't heard squat from the independants yet this election year. Where the hell are they at?

 

This thread is too long for me to read right now, because I have to read the miller speech first too before i put my two cents in there. I'll be back.

In modern times, I think LBJ got carter beat.

 

So are you saying that all democrats and democratic senators should be mindless zombies doing whatever the party leaders say even if they and the voters disagree with it?

 

Okay, well "you guys" need to get rid of Al Sharpton and Jimmy Carter, too, because they're an embarassment. Oh I forget, both of their careers full of confusion and failures fit right into the Democratic party's agenda. Nah... You guys can keep them.

Zell's doing a great job. If he weren't so damn old, maybe he'd run again... but his views aren't going to be what ends his illustrious career.

 

It doesn't really matter what my prediction for the election is, seeing as I only have one vote. All I know is that to me, the fewer Republicans in office there are, the better. I'm not really one to comment on percentages, but given the shoestring margin on which the last election was won and the opinion polls which have been fluctuating around dead even since Kerry became the presumptive nominee, I'd say we'll be in for a close race. There are too many people entrenched in one side or the other, and the only way you get anything other than a close race from that sort of a political climate is to have an extremely formidable candidate. Now I know you're probably going to argue this point, so you can save it, but neither Bush or Kerry is that candidate.

 

who cares? we all know who we are voting for and those that are voting for the wrong we can only hope they will see the light

 

Who, me?

Each party essentially is a "brand" of politics, and by that I mean when you pick someone from one of the parties you get a list of issues which you know they're most likely going to vote a particular way on.

For example, Democrats are generally in favor of reproductive rights, civil liberties, social programs, higher taxes, etc. Republicans are in favor of Christianity, military spending, tax cuts, etc. When you pick someone who is a member of either of these parties, there is an expectation that for the most part they are going to stick to what the party sticks to.

That's the way a two party system works, and by the looks of it Senator Miller has far more on his plate which lines up with the Republican agenda than the Democratic one.

 

I won't argue with you there. I lean right, but I'm no extremist. I don't have faith that the democratic party's candidate knows anything about the economy or protecting our country during wartime. His record shows quite the opposite, so I have to vote for Bush. If only the Democrats could find an extremely formidable candidate, maybe I'd reconsider? Nah.