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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by LT6916
Hippee's must be a cycling trend: you wouldn't have seen this many anti-war protests during the Great Wars or the Korean Conflict. Now, ever since Vietnam...everyone is like "PRO-LIFE! END THE WAR! SAVE LIFE!" meanwhile back home, hundreds of thousands of unborn children are dying because the "free-spirited" women are having abortions left and right.
Spoken like a true brainwashed tool. You make a comment about children dieing from abortions, but you make no mention of the thousands of children who die from starvation, who can't afford healthcare in our own country. You just see what you wanna see, and ignore the rest.
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by antarius
LT6916, but you know what they're going to say now.
"War never solves anything"
"War is not good"
"We should not be in war"

Pfft.



I'll just keep that in mind..
Stop putting words in peoples mouths, nobody said any of that. I'm not a naive peacenik, war is sometimes necesarry. But I don't agree with wars that are waiged for personal, and financial gain. And wars that gain public support through lies.
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. UnderHill
Spoken like a true brainwashed tool. You make a comment about children dieing from abortions, but you make no mention of the thousands of children who die from starvation, who can't afford healthcare in our own country. You just see what you wanna see, and ignore the rest.
I hate to say it, but honestly if someone has no will to take care of their child once it's born it's better off being abborted in my eyes. Unless LT6916 wants to adopt all unwanted babies. And I haven't heard of many children starving to death in this country, but I would love to see some statistics comparing that with other countries. A life is a life no matter which country it was born into. Some people only seem to care about American born people. Sure 600+ soldiers have died in Iraq, and that is very sad. But they may have saved 1000's or 100,000's of lives in our country and others.
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 08:47 AM
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Poverty is probably the most difficult issue to tackle by a govt. In my opinion, there will always be poverty as there will always be those who just can't get by. But for a govt to continuously give aid to those who are high-school dropouts, putting out kids at least every year, and working for minimum wage...that's not the govts fault, its the people who don't assess their financial situation and then start draining the govt budget with welfare and medicare.
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LT6916
Poverty is probably the most difficult issue to tackle by a govt. In my opinion, there will always be poverty as there will always be those who just can't get by. But for a govt to continuously give aid to those who are high-school dropouts, putting out kids at least every year, and working for minimum wage...that's not the govts fault, its the people who don't assess their financial situation and then start draining the govt budget with welfare and medicare.
Excuse me? Schools are vastly overcrowded, teachers are underpayed, and underqualified. Especially in inner citys. When a child is born to a drug addict mother who's working a minimum wage job, and can't afford food or medicine...that child grows up to be a problem! And that problem is everyone's problem! That's the child that puts a gun to your head and asks you for your wallet. Did he have a choice? Of course! Should he be punished? Of course! But instead of wasting millions to incarcerate that man, and many like him. Couldn't we spend the millions to help that mother out and prevent it from happening in the first place?
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. UnderHill
Excuse me? Schools are vastly overcrowded, teachers are underpayed, and underqualified. Especially in inner citys. When a child is born to a drug addict mother who's working a minimum wage job, and can't afford food or medicine...that child grows up to be a problem! And that problem is everyone's problem! That's the child that puts a gun to your head and asks you for your wallet. Did he have a choice? Of course! Should he be punished? Of course! But instead of wasting millions to incarcerate that man, and many like him. Couldn't we spend the millions to help that mother out and prevent it from happening in the first place?
:werd: It's the difference between "Before the pipe" and "After the pipe" solutions. Preventative solutions always work better for cheaper, but since the response is not immediate, and often takes a decade to realize, people choose to wait and solve the problem after it happens... They think it's cheaper because they get to keep the money now... but the consequences are almost always more expensive in the end.
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. UnderHill
Spoken like a true brainwashed tool. You make a comment about children dieing from abortions, but you make no mention of the thousands of children who die from starvation, who can't afford healthcare in our own country. You just see what you wanna see, and ignore the rest.
i'd like to see where you get your statistics of children dying in this country from starvation. healthcare is there for those who need it, don't kid yourself with ficticious issues.
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. UnderHill
Spoken like a true brainwashed tool. You make a comment about children dieing from abortions, but you make no mention of the thousands of children who die from starvation, who can't afford healthcare in our own country. You just see what you wanna see, and ignore the rest.
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i always felt that the pro-lifers should be looking and third world countries at the children who have actually breathed life, but are dying from starvation, which may i guess to say is much more drawn out than dying by abortion. not to mention all those people in africa dying from AIDS...

personally, i'm pro-choice, but i also know better than to get myself in a position than have an unwanted pregnancy. planned parenthood also takes this position, which is why they hand for like 500 million condoms everytime you visit and try to put you on birth control, but they turn someone away because they don't think about consequences. people should be better educated in birth control and teenagers should have easy access to condoms (like given out in school) b/c hey, kids are kids and they are going to have sex anyway. but unfortunately, most pro-lifers think abstinence is the only way, so instead of compromising to dramatically lower abortion rates, they just sit and pray in front of abortion clinics thinking it will work.
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 09:34 AM
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eh, i have a prob w/ppl who have abortions minutes before the actual birth
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sinthetiq
eh, i have a prob w/ppl who have abortions minutes before the actual birth
i do too, unless its a serious serious health risk to mom and baby.



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