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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 06:57 AM
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no.
Tolkien never wanted anybody to try and find parallels between his stories and the Bible.
But, if anybody was representative of the Christ figure, it was Frodo.
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by mayonaise
well, supposedly, the lord of the rings story is supposed to be preaching the bible and catholic virtues...
yes.. it is based on the bible.. the author was a christian and used the books to portray the bible
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by KRA
yes.. it is based on the bible.. the author was a christian and used the books to portray the bible

I'd say he was more gay (who was "special friends" with CS Lewis) than he was christian. From reading LOTRs myself, in entirety, there are NO SIGNIFICANT TIES between those books and the bible. Such parallels would best be described as "grasping at straws"...
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Epoch
I'd say he was more gay (who was "special friends" with CS Lewis) than he was christian. From reading LOTRs myself, in entirety, there are NO SIGNIFICANT TIES between those books and the bible. Such parallels would best be described as "grasping at straws"...
no, there are. he pulled a ton of things into his trilogy. he was a master of allegory. but its not just christian stuff. i think the main point of it was for us to be able to connect with the book, not to preach to us.
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by Epoch
I'd say he was more gay (who was "special friends" with CS Lewis) than he was christian.
true, my fault.
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by 99civic_love
no, there are. he pulled a ton of things into his trilogy. he was a master of allegory. but its not just christian stuff. i think the main point of it was for us to be able to connect with the book, not to preach to us.
I think it goes deeper than that. Read the book "Hero of 1,000 masks", which talks about the universal concept of "The Hero's Quest", and you'll find that these universal themes apply more that what one could find in the bible.

I think allegories can be drawn because people wish them to be there... It's like the same thing that some Christians are trying to place a biblical spin on Harry Potter to make it OK and pious for their kids to read
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by Epoch
I think it goes deeper than that. Read the book "Hero of 1,000 masks", which talks about the universal concept of "The Hero's Quest", and you'll find that these universal themes apply more that what one could find in the bible.

I think allegories can be drawn because people wish them to be there... It's like the same thing that some Christians are trying to place a biblical spin on Harry Potter to make it OK and pious for their kids to read
no, really, there are actually small refererences to the bible in LOTR. its not largely based on it, but him being very religious, he put a few in.

its like people's obsession with him being gay. people will only look at things as they want to see them.

and with both harry potter and LOTR, the theme of it all is that good never wins, it only buys itself time.
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by 99civic_love
no, really, there are actually small refererences to the bible in LOTR. its not largely based on it, but him being very religious, he put a few in.

its like people's obsession with him being gay. people will only look at things as they want to see them.

and with both harry potter and LOTR, the theme of it all is that good never wins, it only buys itself time.
there definately are small references. take this for example from the link to the article i posted:
Most tellingly: The Fellowship embarks on its mission on December 25 (Christmas). It ends exactly three months later, on March 25 (the date of the Fall of Man, the Annunciation, and the Crucifixion in the old English calendar).
another article
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by flipped cracker
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 12:49 PM
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I like to think of LOTR as an "dual epic." An epic requires that there be one central character that is essentially superman who through the course of the work achieves greater and greater stature until he reaches the top of the mountain so to speak. If he happens to die which does fit within the convention then he goes out with a bang and it's for a noble cause. In LOTR you have two superman characters, Aragorn and Frodo. Aragorn is the more traditional epic hero, but Frodo still incorporates enough of the conventions despite the fact that he's a little hobbit and repeatedly gets his ass handed to him by all sorts of creatures. While he doesn't necessarily vanquish his opponents he always manages to keep going until he reaches his goal, and then (without trying to spoil the movie) he must continue to ascend and reach for new heights. Plus we have all these supporting characters that for the most part all have some kind of obstacles placed in front of them which they triumph over in one way or another. I could go rambling on and on but yeah that's the basic concept.
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