I've never seen a Jew preach about how homosexuality is against god. it's only christians.

Religion has nothing to do with sexuality. It's that many people can't separate their religion from other things in life.
You may live your life according to what some man in a church says; but not everyone does.

this thread is done. it turned into some stupid religious argument.

 

Nick, you're right. People who sit there and hate by bending the words of their holy book is BS *cough* al Queda *cough* But this isn't stretching or bending. The Bible says that its wrong, and that they will not see the light of heaven. You don't care? OK thats fine. I'm not basing my discust for them on that, I was merely proving Bumnah wrong. Everything we view is based on what society things. If rape was ok, and it was just another thing, as in there were millions of rapists, just like gays (y ou have to think abstractly here) and they spread the message that it was ok, and they were born wanting to rape, they couldn't help it... does that make it ok? Same with murders. Do you(generalized) think that murders are ok? They have a mental disease, but would you still hate a murderer if he killed one of your friends or family. Probably, even though he was most liekly born(or was altered) with an altered brain chemisty that made him think it was ok?

Almost everything we view is based on what society thinks and feels as a complex whole. Most of our laws, and social views(which keep getting more broad) started with the words of the Bible, like it or not. The bible said it was wrong, therefor it was. Its only been in the last hundred to 200 years or so that society has REALLY started getting away from these 'old school' teachings. Maybe its good, maybe its bad. I personally view it as bad.
Now i'm not saying I am some relgious freak, and I live every moment of life in the Eyes of God. I don't. I am a Christian, and I am saved, and I am going to Heaven. But, I still sin. I have a relationship with God, and it may not be as good as a lot of these super religous people, but oh well. So don't try and come at me saying something like 'oh, so you're this great person who never sins, who are you to pass judgement' you're right, but whatever. None of you are any better than me. This post was supposed to be faily simple, although when i first posted i knew it would not be.

Bumnah personally attacked me. That was rude and immature. Instead of disucssing this like a civilized human being, he chose to be childish and start name calling. but Nick, you're right. This is a message board. People have different opinions, and you can only argue your side so much.

I'm not preaching hatred. I don't call those who have sympathy for the homosexuals any bad words, I don't try to change their view. I don't press my views onto anyone else, I am just backing myself up for what I belevie in.

Don't you EVER compare me to the terrorists again, EVER!!!

that said, Nick this isn't a personal attack on you in any way, and I have nothing wrong with you or your opinions. And this whole message isn't directly posted to you, but the majority is posted to the general discussion. Like you said, they are opinions. Have a nice day

 

I didn't read any of your post ManInCamo except for the first paragraph.

Let's just say that the bible is full of contradictions.
I've never read it; and I doubt I ever will (unless I'm really bored one day or I need to for a class).
But doesn't the bible also say something about casting the first stone?
And about how no one should pass judgement but god? And how we should all forgive the sinner?
I mean- Jesus died for everyones sins right?
So- in fact- the bible may say homosexuality is wrong- but it also says that it's not any mans place to pass judgement.
So why are you passing judgement?

 

Getting away from the religous stuff.

Bumah, You said that I have no reason to hate, and they don't affect me. You're ignorant on my life man.

I grew up not hating them, or not even knowing about them. In elementry school my best friends uncle was gay. Did I know it? No, was he a cool guy? Yes. Do I hate him now? No. Do I hate his lifestyle? Yes, yes I do.

Also, like I stated, the college I attend has a huge gay population. I interact with homosexuals on a daily basis, and like I said, some aren't all that bad. The majority however think that they should be treated different(as in better, special, like a princess) because they are different than the rest of us. Its bull.

The P.R.I.D.E. group, our local gay and lesbian group at college uses their 'gay card' on applications where it doens't belong. They are probably the stongest organisation on campus because they play the gay card whenever they don't get their way: "Oh, you don't think we should get $XX.XX of money for our super duper PRIDE group? Well gee, is that because we're the gay and lesbian group?" or " Oh, well we think this policy should be instated... we have a sheet with 200 other signature, of the 15,000 memebers on this page. Forget that other petition with 9000 signatures sayign they don't want it. Oh you don't think the policy should be enstated? Is that because we're gay and lesbians?"

its stupid **** like thatm and yes those are made up situations.
They push their beleifs, they push their lifestyle. Never once have I walked up to a homosexual and started telling him the wonders of being hetero. Never once have I walked up to an openly gay woman and hit on her.

Have I been hit on? Yes, yes I have. It took every fiber of my being not the beat the **** out of him.

I hate they for what they stand for. I hate them because of what they do and how they act.



PS: Bumnah,That said, why did you start hating me, I never did anythign to you, said anything to you. You just started hating me and insulting me years ago. And also... What are your interactions with homosexuals? I'd like to hear, since I obviously have no interation with them and I'm ignorant.

 

Read the whole post.

You're posting about the Bible, yet you've never read it, and know nothing of it. Thats ignornat. Also, the Bible is the word of God, sent through different authors. The Bible says they deserve to die and because they see their lifesyle as correct, they will never see the Kingdom fo God (see my previous posts)

You only are forgiven (and thus admitted into Heaven) if you acknowledge what you did was wrong, and you ask for forgiveness. Homosexuals do not view themselves as doing anything wrong


and the story goes about a woman being stone for something but I am not sure. The whole town is in a rage, ready to stone her to death. Jesus walked in from of the group gave a speech and said something to the affect of "He who has not sinned should cast the first stone." Everyone kinda mumbled and walked away, know that they were all sinners too"

 

The reason I compared the bible teachings to the Al Qaeda is because thats the way it is to me. You can read that bible and find statements about the Americans being devils and yada yada...its there. Same thing with gays and the christian bible.
But like I said, a book is just a book dude, and to me, its just a book. It holds no ground whatsoever. When you talk about only going to heaven if you ask for forgiveness, etc...that is completely bogus in my eyes. I didnt start a religion conversation, and I see now it was in response to another argument, I just wanted to point out that when people recite these bible tales, to many of us, it means absolutely nothing.

I read what you have to say, and I do see where youre coming from. Gays pulling the "gay card" is bullsh*t in most cases, I agree.

But does that make a statement such as "I hope you burn in hell, fag" a reasonable one?

I live in West Philly. Ill be real honest...80% of the black people here have no jobs, let their kids run wild, sit around all day and do nothing, or commit crimes. Just yesterday I witnessed:

1) A black dude beating his black prostitute for not paying him the money she owed him
2) A black woman in front of her house smoking crack.
3) About 782 black bums asking for change.

Does that mean that ALL Black people act this way? Do ALL black people bum for change and smack around their prosties?

Which brings me to my point...
Do ALL gay people pull the gay card? Do ALL gay people check "the gay box"? NO. So AT LEAST refine your statement to say "the gay people that take advantage of the system f*cking suck." With that said, dont you think "Fags should burn in hell" is a bit harsh?

You can say that thats all you witness, or thats all you've experienced, but that is not an excuse for ignorance. You know there are all types of people out there. I know tons of black people who pull the black card, or old people who pull the seniority card...whats the difference that makes you hate gays and not them? Because YOU dont agree with their lifestyle...dont you see how thats kind of "moral-centric"? Its not right dude.

 

I did.


I never said they are all like that. I said the majority that i've interacted with or see are like that. Ever from my original statement on page two, I said not all gay people were bad, but I do hate their lifestyle, and anyone who is the typical, " I'll pull my gaycard"

 

ManinCamo, I'm glad that you're not hating on all gays......just remember to give them a chance before you discard them as being horrible people.....

Two of my three best friends are gay, and they are great people, in the closet, and they AGREE WITH YOU, go figure, gay people that don't like the way gay people act. You would never even know it, they don't constantly talk about being gay, or the gay lifestyle, they just chill............very cool people, and I would hate for you to discard someone like that, before you gave them a chance to prove themselves worthy....

I agree with you also about the gay pride groups milking it, along with many other gays....not all of them are bad, gay people get a bad rap, because it's the idiots that get all the publicity.....

 

First of all- if you are going to call me ignorant- spell it right.
And obviously I wasn't ignorant in my post. You just proved me right by what YOU posted. "he who has not sinned should cast the first stone"
So unless you are free from sin; you have no room to criticize. Am I right?
Okay then.

 

Gee, sorry, I didn't know this forum was a spelling contest forum. Please forgive me when I'm typing 40 wpm and I just want to get thoughts out. Maybe next time I'll write it in Word - Office XP, so I can correctly edit, proofread, and make a final publication of my post. Then I'll email it to you, so you can approve it is worded and spelled correctly and then I'll post it.

I didn't prove you right, i was explianing the story for you. And that was for something else not togeather, not homosexuality. Please read all my posts before you start cracking on me. I have explained myself very well over the past many posts. I'm not "throwing stones", and even if I was, one it wasn't the 'first stone' and... you're right, I'm a sinner.. so are you and so is everyone else. Whoopty do. next time read my posts.


rb6teg thanks for reading, understanding, and for getting 'alternate' views on what I've said.