Your input on sin..
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Originally posted by RB
well thats obvious, but, when christianity is having faith in christ, what does sex have to do with it? Sex between two monogamous unmarried people doesn't hurt anyone, and yet its condemned. I dunno, just seems like one more rule to follow.
well thats obvious, but, when christianity is having faith in christ, what does sex have to do with it? Sex between two monogamous unmarried people doesn't hurt anyone, and yet its condemned. I dunno, just seems like one more rule to follow.
Example: Christians technically shouldn't eat pork, according to the bible. Do they? Yes. Why? Because sometime between the writing of the bible and now, religious leaders decided to overlook some of the rules while emphasizing others.
Currently they're working on rewriting the bible to take a stronger stance against homosexuality.
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If there is a G-d (and I don't really feel like getting into that debate) then he/she/it/other non-singular pronoun most likely didn't come up with all of this crap that has been made taboo by thousands of years of church doctrine. We have humans to thank for coming up with that wonderful stuff because we as a race are monumentally stupid.
Oh and of course since I'm Jewish we take a completely different view of the sin stuff. Basically human beings are falliable creatures and both humans and G-d know this. So we have Yom Kippur which is the day of atonement where we have to think about our sins and why they were bad and ask for forgiveness. However that doesn't make us like them crazy born again types because the holiday happens every year. The expectation is that even though humans are able to realize that they have sinned and even tell right from wrong before they do something, doesn't guarantee that they will live free of sin. So we get the opportunity every year to reflect and realize what was bad. It's more important (at least to us Jews) to realize that something was a sin and move on than to condemn someone to hell for one sin and have nothing they can do about it.
Oh and of course since I'm Jewish we take a completely different view of the sin stuff. Basically human beings are falliable creatures and both humans and G-d know this. So we have Yom Kippur which is the day of atonement where we have to think about our sins and why they were bad and ask for forgiveness. However that doesn't make us like them crazy born again types because the holiday happens every year. The expectation is that even though humans are able to realize that they have sinned and even tell right from wrong before they do something, doesn't guarantee that they will live free of sin. So we get the opportunity every year to reflect and realize what was bad. It's more important (at least to us Jews) to realize that something was a sin and move on than to condemn someone to hell for one sin and have nothing they can do about it.
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Originally posted by MrFatbooty
Oh and of course since I'm Jewish we take a completely different view of the sin stuff. Basically human beings are falliable creatures and both humans and G-d know this. So we have Yom Kippur which is the day of atonement where we have to think about our sins and why they were bad and ask for forgiveness. However that doesn't make us like them crazy born again types because the holiday happens every year. The expectation is that even though humans are able to realize that they have sinned and even tell right from wrong before they do something, doesn't guarantee that they will live free of sin. So we get the opportunity every year to reflect and realize what was bad. It's more important (at least to us Jews) to realize that something was a sin and move on than to condemn someone to hell for one sin and have nothing they can do about it.
Oh and of course since I'm Jewish we take a completely different view of the sin stuff. Basically human beings are falliable creatures and both humans and G-d know this. So we have Yom Kippur which is the day of atonement where we have to think about our sins and why they were bad and ask for forgiveness. However that doesn't make us like them crazy born again types because the holiday happens every year. The expectation is that even though humans are able to realize that they have sinned and even tell right from wrong before they do something, doesn't guarantee that they will live free of sin. So we get the opportunity every year to reflect and realize what was bad. It's more important (at least to us Jews) to realize that something was a sin and move on than to condemn someone to hell for one sin and have nothing they can do about it.
thats cool and all, but I think that can be used as a crutch. "Oh I can sin and do whatever I want, because when the day comes, I can just say what I did wrong and everything will be ok!"
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Originally posted by RB
thats cool and all, but I think that can be used as a crutch. "Oh I can sin and do whatever I want, because when the day comes, I can just say what I did wrong and everything will be ok!"
thats cool and all, but I think that can be used as a crutch. "Oh I can sin and do whatever I want, because when the day comes, I can just say what I did wrong and everything will be ok!"
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Well, we don't really have "judgement day" either. And sure someone can use it as a crutch but that's because they're missing the point. It's not that we can willingly do whatever the hell we want and then repent for it with the full willingness to start sinning again right afterwards. The point is to have us genuinely feel bad about what we've done and try to reduce the amount of sin in our lives but at the same time allows for the fact that sin is unavoidable. The slate is wiped clean *IF* you really do repent each year. But it's not a guarantee.
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Interesting read...
The problem I have with sin is that it's so polar in dividing stuff as good or bad. Don't get me wrong, that's exactly what the word MEANS, but, I have a hard time defining something as arbitrary defining something as "good" or "bad"... Mainly cause what _I_ believe to be a "bad" can be seen as a "good" by some people. How can something actually BE a "sin" if two different, moral, rational people disagree if it's actually a "sin" or not?
If that was the only reason the church didn't like premarital sex, then I guess homosexuals should be in the clear on this one 
I just have a hard time with the label "sin", but I guess that's why I became a Taoist!
Interesting read...
The problem I have with sin is that it's so polar in dividing stuff as good or bad. Don't get me wrong, that's exactly what the word MEANS, but, I have a hard time defining something as arbitrary defining something as "good" or "bad"... Mainly cause what _I_ believe to be a "bad" can be seen as a "good" by some people. How can something actually BE a "sin" if two different, moral, rational people disagree if it's actually a "sin" or not?
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'cause sex is for making babies.
'cause sex is for making babies.
I just have a hard time with the label "sin", but I guess that's why I became a Taoist!
what? Homosexuals make babies?
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The church don't like the homos because they think sex should be only for making babies. So if you're engaging in any sort of sex act that is not for the express purpose of making babies be it with a member of the opposite sex, your own sex, yourself, or farm animals of either gender then you're a sinnAr. Which is also why Catholics don't believe in birth control.
