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Floppy Death! noES!!!
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Originally posted by antarius
Flamesuit is on.
Flamesuit is on.
Anyone can flame all they way, it's his oppinion and your not going to change the world on HAN... so I suggest read his oppinion. Understand what he's saying. Move on.
Weather you agree or disagree is not the point. We don't need anymore e-thugs.
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Originally posted by 99civic_love
i think that abortion should only used as a last result, but there's no way to make a law for that. but because we have morons running our country, teenagers aren't getting good sex education (which means understanding birth control, having the ability to use it, and how to avoid pregnancy). i think if the sex education was better, abortion rates would go down. i remember a girl in high school who had an abortion several times because she was too lazy to use protection, which irritated the hell out of me. but abortion is needed in many cases, and to ban it would be one very large problem.
i think that abortion should only used as a last result, but there's no way to make a law for that. but because we have morons running our country, teenagers aren't getting good sex education (which means understanding birth control, having the ability to use it, and how to avoid pregnancy). i think if the sex education was better, abortion rates would go down. i remember a girl in high school who had an abortion several times because she was too lazy to use protection, which irritated the hell out of me. but abortion is needed in many cases, and to ban it would be one very large problem.
Although I don't believe abortion should be an option, but it is and I can't stop that. Moving on, out of curiousity what would you do for helping the sex education program? I find it hard to believe that if you sat teenagers down and made them sit through a class that it wouldn't do anything. Unfortunatly most teenagers learn about sex from the media and also other friends and peers which don't have the knowledge. I personally feel that its the parents sole responsibility to teach the child about sex and its safe sex options. So in a sense I agree that we need better education but.....I don't know. Its frustrating.
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Originally posted by clickwir
It's your oppinion and that you are allowed!
Anyone can flame all they way, it's his oppinion and your not going to change the world on HAN... so I suggest read his oppinion. Understand what he's saying. Move on.
Weather you agree or disagree is not the point. We don't need anymore e-thugs.
It's your oppinion and that you are allowed!
Anyone can flame all they way, it's his oppinion and your not going to change the world on HAN... so I suggest read his oppinion. Understand what he's saying. Move on.
Weather you agree or disagree is not the point. We don't need anymore e-thugs.
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From: SLC, Ut
Originally posted by antarius
I expected to get flamed for clearly stating my beliefs. I wasn't flaming someone else.
I expected to get flamed for clearly stating my beliefs. I wasn't flaming someone else.
Floppy Death! noES!!!
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Originally posted by NoRiCeHeRe
First off I agree with what you said.
Although I don't believe abortion should be an option, but it is and I can't stop that. Moving on, out of curiousity what would you do for helping the sex education program? I find it hard to believe that if you sat teenagers down and made them sit through a class that it wouldn't do anything. Unfortunatly most teenagers learn about sex from the media and also other friends and peers which don't have the knowledge. I personally feel that its the parents sole responsibility to teach the child about sex and its safe sex options. So in a sense I agree that we need better education but.....I don't know. Its frustrating.
First off I agree with what you said.
Although I don't believe abortion should be an option, but it is and I can't stop that. Moving on, out of curiousity what would you do for helping the sex education program? I find it hard to believe that if you sat teenagers down and made them sit through a class that it wouldn't do anything. Unfortunatly most teenagers learn about sex from the media and also other friends and peers which don't have the knowledge. I personally feel that its the parents sole responsibility to teach the child about sex and its safe sex options. So in a sense I agree that we need better education but.....I don't know. Its frustrating.
People aren't going to stop getting pleasure from others.... maybe it's easier to change HOW.
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Originally posted by antarius
Well, I believe in the womens right to choose.
I also believe murder is illegal.
Partial Birth Abortions should be illegal, no doubt.
Abortions which are completed within the first 2 months of pregnancy, should be *legal*, simply because the baby has yet to form a brain stem and working organs at that point; which to me, means it's not a "human" yet.
After 2 months, all those things exist and therefor must be treated as a human with rights.
That's my 0.02.
If you are 3 months pregnant, sorry life sucks - give it up for adoption. Your bad choice to have unprotected sex and not pay attention to your late menstral cycle should not kill a developed human being.
Flamesuit is on.
Well, I believe in the womens right to choose.
I also believe murder is illegal.
Partial Birth Abortions should be illegal, no doubt.
Abortions which are completed within the first 2 months of pregnancy, should be *legal*, simply because the baby has yet to form a brain stem and working organs at that point; which to me, means it's not a "human" yet.
After 2 months, all those things exist and therefor must be treated as a human with rights.
That's my 0.02.
If you are 3 months pregnant, sorry life sucks - give it up for adoption. Your bad choice to have unprotected sex and not pay attention to your late menstral cycle should not kill a developed human being.
Flamesuit is on.
the issue is that women where there are serious complications in their pregnancy where both lives are risked are no longer allowed to have one, even though it might save her life. only a small percentage of partial birth abortions count for abortions, and usually they are for medical reasons.
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Originally posted by NoRiCeHeRe
I think he was trying to let everyone else know that it was your opinion and they have no right to tell you how to feel or believe. Which he is correct, they are your feelings and people can disagree but they don't have to flame you specifically.
I think he was trying to let everyone else know that it was your opinion and they have no right to tell you how to feel or believe. Which he is correct, they are your feelings and people can disagree but they don't have to flame you specifically.
Oh, I wasn't sure how he meant it so I thought I'd clear it up.
It is my opinion, and people don't really have the right to be "e-thugs", but they do. So I was just letting them know that I'm ready for it.
You know, people get real hardcore on "THAR INTARWEB!"
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From: SLC, Ut
Originally posted by 99civic_love
oh no, i don't think that a woman who wants to have an abortion but she waited too long should have it, hell no. i mean, if you've made it this far then have it.
the issue is that women where there are serious complications in their pregnancy where both lives are risked are no longer allowed to have one, even though it might save her life. only a small percentage of partial birth abortions count for abortions, and usually they are for medical reasons.
oh no, i don't think that a woman who wants to have an abortion but she waited too long should have it, hell no. i mean, if you've made it this far then have it.
the issue is that women where there are serious complications in their pregnancy where both lives are risked are no longer allowed to have one, even though it might save her life. only a small percentage of partial birth abortions count for abortions, and usually they are for medical reasons.
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From: SLC, Ut
Originally posted by clickwir
We need to teach more women, at a younger age... to take it IDB and go down more. It's really simple. :rick:
People aren't going to stop getting pleasure from others.... maybe it's easier to change HOW.
We need to teach more women, at a younger age... to take it IDB and go down more. It's really simple. :rick:
People aren't going to stop getting pleasure from others.... maybe it's easier to change HOW.
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From: Bay Area, CA
Originally posted by 99civic_love
oh no, i don't think that a woman who wants to have an abortion but she waited too long should have it, hell no. i mean, if you've made it this far then have it.
the issue is that women where there are serious complications in their pregnancy where both lives are risked are no longer allowed to have one, even though it might save her life. only a small percentage of partial birth abortions count for abortions, and usually they are for medical reasons.
oh no, i don't think that a woman who wants to have an abortion but she waited too long should have it, hell no. i mean, if you've made it this far then have it.
the issue is that women where there are serious complications in their pregnancy where both lives are risked are no longer allowed to have one, even though it might save her life. only a small percentage of partial birth abortions count for abortions, and usually they are for medical reasons.
Generally the argument is that they will be born severely deformed, severely inable to learn, etc. etc and that they "probably wont live anyway". Well, if the probability of them living after birth is so low anyway, why bother with the abortion? According to that argument, nature will take it's course anyway.
On a second argument against the medical reasons for partial birth abortion. We all agree that the human is just that, a human; during "partial birth abortions". So, what's the difference between me geting burned alive, or losing limbs, or becoming mentally retarded due to an accident -- and you just killing me "for the good of me".
I have heard many, MANY, stories of handicapped or severely mutated people living a wonderful life of their own. Different than yours and mine, sure. But still satisfying for them. So what's to say that the "Deformed" child wont live normally?
What about the Children born with diseases that we *know* will kill them in 10 years or so. Do we just "abort" them to save them the "trouble" of living such a harsh short life?
No, we don't. We make those 10 years the best 10 years of their life, and make them as happy as possible before the inevitable happens. Just because some babies are phyiscaly damaged doesnt mean they don't have the right to give life a shot.
My 0.02. More like my 1.50$.