yea and i don't own a civic oh by the way i got my gsr new in 94 for 18,100 and try and go buy one now you can get one for 14 easy. and last time i look the corrola s only has 130hp it's the xrs that has 170 so that weight is irrelevnt and hte xrs isn't even out yet

 

No, no, you have it all wrong.

If you want to buy a FAST car, buy a Supra or NSX. If you want a slow-ass economy car, buy a Corolla, Civic, Camry, Celica, Accord, etc.



Supra = :naughty:
NSX = :naughty:
Civic, Corolla =



p.s. I'm talking stock for stock... so modders don't get offended, please.

 

I know I'm gonna get flamed for this.........but if you want real aftermarket support then you might look at the Ford Focus or if you can swing it, the GT Mustang. They have their own parts division (Ford racing) that offers everything from suspension to crate engines. They actually have a fairly extensive aftermarket for the Focus too. Plus they are the ONLY company to TRUELY support the aftermarket by providing CAD drawings to aftermarket companies like Steeda to develop the very best aftermarket components. Steeda's computer chips can be serviced by the Ford dealer. HOWEVER warranty is a subjective thing and ANY car that has been altered can cause complications with the warranty. Best advice is to stay away from engine work till the warranty ends if you are that concerned about it.

Anyway, I am not all that familiar with the Focus but I do know that it isn't as popular or fast as cars like the RSX even though it has great aftermarket support from Ford. Personaly, I would tell you to test drive a GT (hell if you're test driving a WRX it's only a few bucks more) because it can do anything that a Carolla or RSX can do - and way better. It has ten times as much aftermarket support, not just from little one off tuners, but right from big racing companies like Roush and from Ford itself. Anyway, it depends on your budget or future plans.......hell you may not even like either of them!!! I'm just saying that they are the leader in aftermarket support if that's your goal.

A friend of mine at work has a new RSX and he tells me that the dealer told him he could do the intake, headers, and exhaust and would be covered. I didn't hear that myself but it woul be something to ask. From a Carolla or RSX I would lean towards the RSX. But also......what about the Sentra? It has a pretty good package out there too.

 

Even though I want to flame you, you are right. Ford does have good aftermarket support. But, even though there are not very many US based companys that build parts for the rsx, the japanese companys are only getting bigger and better.

 

yea but most of us on here would rather have a wrx then a gt the awd is so much fun and aftermarket support on the wrx is big and growing and mods for cheaper make it go much faster then a gt

 

The WRX is an EXCELENT car, but it's aftermarket isn't nearly as huge as it is for the GT. That is understandable for a new car. My point is that where the Mustang has been around for 40 years there is way more experience, knowledge and tips - which are just as (if not more) important than just parts alone. Depending on your long term plan or what you want with the car, the WRX may be a better buy. It has a nice interior, racing seats, AWD etc.

HOWEVER, you are not correct by saying that it can go way faster when modified......I don't think that's what you meant to say there. I don't know the prices of WRX modifications. I know that you don't have a choice of 10 crate engines or thousands of combinations for a motor build on a WRX. For $6000 you can drop a racing engine into a GT which will produce 430 - 530 NA HP depending on which one you get. (Mind you, the rear end needs to be strengthened as well) A WRX will not match that kind of power and speed for that investment. This stems to my point about the big aftermarket, the stock car racing world has helped develop a lot of good modifications for engines. Entry level short track motors are inexpensive race engines that can take a lot of abuse and are the best buy for aftermarket money. They are used for short track stock car racing and are very, very robust. There's like 40 years of R&D there!! And if you were to look hard, you can purchase used racing heads or parts for even less money if you are seriously into racing and cars or cost aware. There are so many race teams coming up with better designs that the Ford aftermarket has thousands of "engineers" trying different combinations for speed and power from its various blocks. Some of which make it into production such as the Ford/Robert Yates Sportsman head. These are all things that people who aren't into Ford products don't understand. People think NASCAR...yay but don't realize that they run NA engines with parts and blocks that you can buy and put in a street car. (machining and combinations differ of course) There is a lot of depth to the aftermarket. And stock car racing is one of the toughest forms of racing for a motor simply because you run in one gear - you need power down low to pull out of the corner, and high rpm power to pass or "nose in" at the end of a straight. These are things that are desireable for street cars and hot rods. There is a reason that cars like the Mustang have a reputation and it isn't from stock Mustang motors or simple bolt-ons......it's from the serious aftermarket items you can produce to make it faster than anything on the road if you put enough money into it. A serious hot-rod isn't built overnight.....you plan your end result and upgrades over several years. Maybe in the first few years and small changes, the WRX will be just as fast. But over the long term with major overhauls, the GT will be the winner of the speed contest hands down. The WRX simply can not compete on that aftermarket playing field. Another thing to consider with aftermarket is this: kit cars. What are they normally powered with? Usually a 350 Chevy or 351 Ford........not a turbo Subaru engine.

From the factory, cars like the WRX have a better package. As I just said, the WRX has nice seats and a real racing look. The GT doesn't even have racing looking guages or anything.....the only thing mine had for an option inside was the racing pedals. However, for the money you pay for a Mustang you do get a strong engine, transmission and rear end, great sound, and base for big modifications.

This thread is not about the Mustang VS the WRX or anything like that. Hell, what good is the aftermarket if you don't even like the car?? It is about aftermarket support. I just wanted to add a few notes/education on the aftermarket support for Ford products from the manufacturer. You may not even like Fords. I'm just saying that if aftermarket is what you look for more than the factory package, then you have to seriously consider Ford products for your hot rod car.

 

Agreed. Companies like Procharger are making superchargers for the 350Z. You will see more development in coming years. Face it, you don't want to pay twice as much for shipping on your parts.

 

i ment that for less money u can get more power the wrx is turbocharged and as in most turbocharged engine wiht litlte mods you get lots of power. we own a wrx in my house and with a unichip installed and tuned which is around 800 u ussually get around 40hp to the ground a 200 intake usually nets 20 to the ground a turbo back exaust can get you 40 hp ot the ground then new injectors and full pump and u can slap on a bigger turbo for 2 grand and start pusing over 20 psi and make 350+hp for under 6 grand and still ahve the awd launches. I agree taht the msutang gt does have more after market support but there are tons of shops that now do wrx tunning 2 within 10 min of where i live and i live out in the suburbes the cars are easy and cheap to work on so it's growing really fast

 

Is that car an STI or base? I don't know what engine differences are between the two. Bolt ons do help that car as well as computer programing like you mentioned. I know the street tuner aftermarket for it is growing but to tune cars all you need is the programming software and something to burn chips with......so it is logical that these types of shops can pop up in great numbers. But it will take years to have pro race shops building heads and better bore blocks though.

Here is the other thing, with the money for mods you just listed, you still have a stock block, rods and pistons. Turbo is great, but puts strain on the motor no matter what car it is. With the $6000 price I mentioned for a new Mustang motor you have a new pro racing block, super strength rods, pistons, rotating assembly and so forth. If you were to run both the WRX on turbo and the Mustang with the race engine, the WRX would be the first to blow up or run into trouble because it is still largely stock.....see what I mean? I'm not trying to say that is not good and all, I'm just saying that you haven't really built a monster engine. It appears that you get a lot for your money, but what you really get is a bigger number on the dyno, NOT the extreme durability and power as a crate engine has. But you know what, that is fine on the street as long as you don't constantly run the engine hard in the WRX. And yes you have the AWD launches.

Here is another question......how much support is there from Corporate Subaru for these cars? Are most of the parts offered by third parties? Like I said I don't know a lot about them.

 

You can make mustangs quick for so cheap i swear, i/h/e, nice tires and some 4.10's and you will be smashin.