nah one thing ive learned in life u get what u pay for iworked at best buy for 3 years in the returns department and ya know what.. all the cheap shit always comes back, and is "cheap" for a reason. That aplies to all things.

the ebay specials may work now but lets see what happenes over a period of time.:thumbup:

 

ok one of my friends explained this thing to me... bc i asked for his help too.

he told me, between a used one piece aem cold intake for $85 and a 2 piece ebay intake with a bypass valve for $40.

he said to buy the 2 piece, bc it already has a bypass valve which he said will make it safer since the car is low already. he said you don't NEED name brand to have good sound or feel a difference

so i am getting that 2 piece one

 

whatever you say monkey, i dont need to do alittle experiment i know from experience for example why would you buy eibach lowering springs when you could get a ebay special its all the same right ? naa its not. i prefer high quality parts on my car not cheap ricey ebay crap ! that and cheap parts have crappy fitment and so on. senor flamer !! :naughty:

 

i never said it was suspending anything. i said i have done suspensions in all cars (ie sway bars,struts,springs,coilovers)

 

yeah and i'm not sure why that makes you an expert when it comes to Strut Tower Bars. The MAY connect to the strut towers, but they have no impact on the struts themselves. what strut tower bars supposedly do is give the chassis more lateral rigidity. something that you might want in a hatchback like a CRX or a targa top or a convertible. the prelude is none of these things. in fact the chassis is already pretty damn stiff already, as a 2950 lb car should be...

even the guys that race civic hatchbacks, CRX's, ITR's and others in SCCA and NASA road racing circuits, aka the guys that would have the ability to tell unilaterally agree that STB's are a waste. and their cars aren't nearly as rigid as ludes.

 

i am no means a expert just have some experience and dont really like to argue or flame people so lets just drop this you have valid points about my lude, it handles awesome i am not saying strut tower bars are the ultimate factor in handling but i hate cheap crap, all i am saying.

 

So Monkey, you're saying that 100% of Honda drivers in SCCA and NASA circuits do not use strut tower bars?



Yes, the unibody is rigid but little lateral rigidity exists above the axle line except for the firewall. If you're implying that there is no lateral flex in the chassis at its highest points front and rear I think you'll find that a hard sell.

 

i'm sure you could find a couple of HC or IT spec hondas with STB's. but they are not an essential improvement in an arena where every litle thing counts.

once again i'm not saying that they are 100% useless, but they are DEFINITELY not worth the $190 you spend on them (spoon prices). i said above that if they cost $25 i'd have 1, even 2, because sure the chassis probably flexes some midcorner. but not enough to spend all that money on on reinforcement.

also, the firewall is quite a rigid spot on the front part of the chassis, and the rear area under the rear deck is quite rigid as well. maybe ideally there could be more areas that have reinforcement but think about where STB's go: right in front of the firewall, and underneath the rear deck.

it's why having a full cage might be more worthwhile for rigidity purposes and worth the cost (safety as well as chassis reinforcement) but STB's? i don't know.

if someone came out with a C-pillar bar that didn't pivot (like the EM racing one) maybe that might be more efficient than STB's.

 

There are several non-pivoting c-pillar bars on the market.


I see it as a good improvement for classes that are otherwise limited in terms of modifications. Sure, the firewall and rear deck are rigid, but our camber control occurs at the very top of the shock tower.

 

full cage is mad dough for street car not worth it. a cage can be dangerous when you have no helmet on you can hit your head on it.