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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by qtiger
I support wire tapping.

This debate is not about wiretapping. It is about illegal wiretapping. Spinning the whole debate about the wiretap into a 'wiretap or not' debate is like saying debate about Guantanamo is an argument over whether or not we should be taking prisoners.


In my opinion, the media has universally oversimplified the whole wiretap issue.
Well, this brings up all kinds of topics...such as signing statements, reinstating the patriot act, etc.

A USC student, a Middle Eastern, stun gunned in a library with no probable cause:

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10325914/detail.html

Denver man sues secret service for arrest after he criticized Cheney on Iraq war

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...039230,00.html

Where does it end? And we hear these neo-cons and right wing media fun boy's tell us, "if you question the authority of this administration, your a national threat. You should be incarserated and punished". I'm sorry, but when did Thomas Jefferson step in and tell us that if we, as american people, question our government, we deserve incarceration or death? When did Adams, Madison, Edison, any of our founding fathers say this?

BTW, I'm agreing w/ u tiger, just making a point to the rest of us.
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Duff Man
A USC student, a Middle Eastern, stun gunned in a library with no probable cause:

Denver man sues secret service for arrest after he criticized Cheney on Iraq war
You blow these stories up to be way more than they are to make your point.

In the first story it had nothing to do with the fact he was Middle Eastern and everything to do with the fact he did not have ID (or would not furnish it) did not comply to leave and then resisted leaving.

"This is a longstanding library policy to ensure the safety of students during the late-night hours," Greenstein said. "The CSO made an announcement that he would be checking for university identification. When a person, who was later identified as ... Tabatabainejad, refused to provide any identification, the CSO told him that if he refused to do so, he would have to leave the library.

"Since, after repeated requests, he would neither leave nor show identification, the CSO notified UCPD officers, who responded and asked Tabatabainejad to leave the premises multiple times. He continued to refuse. As the officers attempted to escort him out, he went limp and continued to refuse to cooperate with officers or leave the building.
We can debate whether or not the use of force was appropriate or not but who he was had nothing to do with it, his failure to comply with established rules and then resisting did.

There is not enough information about the original incident in the second story to comment. It is written only on the lawsuit which is based solely on one side of the story.
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Old May 28, 2007 | 09:07 PM
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as the days have past us, look at us now. Who was right?
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Old May 29, 2007 | 01:36 PM
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Still no violations of civil liberties, and unless you are Al Qaeda you have nothing to worry about.

A lot to do about nothing.
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