I agree...we need to understand who we disagree with. This is the smartest of things. We need to know WHY they disagree...

Why did they strike us on 9/11? Why do they hate us? Why do they want to kill americans?

Really ask yourself why....before you start spoutin,"lets just bomb all of those towel heads...lets just eliminate the mideast..."

Why are their terrorists? Really! I'm not kidding! Why the fuck do they want to kill us?

I think thats a great thread topic on it's own. And I'm glad that someone like this indivual has the balls to come over here and explain the politics and the way how things work in the middle east.

We are so gd gung ho about shooting up those that defy us in the middle east. But so many of us that just want to "shoot 'em up" have no idea why they hate us so much.

 

Wow. I agree completely. This is rare

 

I have a lot of reasons to hate people but do not advocate their complete destruction because they disagree with me. Blaming ourselves for the actions of others is stupid. If a bully sucker [unches you and repeatedly attacks/threatens your friends do you stop and ask him why he is so angry and what you did to him? Maybe you do but I pound his ass into submission making it clear I do not take his shit.

 

The psychology of a troubled child is far different then thousands of years of history. You simply can't compare a playground bully to an entire nation of people. I think your argument is irrelevant.

 

Are you kidding me? It is the same thing except now the bully is in charge of a country hell bent on acquiring nuclear weapons.

 

hmm...take out the word acquiring and replace it with "finding"? Who's the bully now?

You're now basing this on speculation. And I'm assuming you mean Iraq...who we still have yet to find ties with al qaeda. But if you mean afghanistan, I wouldn't say they are hell bent on acquiring nuclear weapons...not the country at least.

And if you mean Iran, we don't know if he wants to creat nuclear weapons. Do we assume? Yes, it's very possible. But now, your argument should be, why didn't we invade them in the first place? Oh wait...we are already spending billions on Iraq....we're all out of funds and we can't invade any more countries.

 

I think you are trying to say Bush is a bully but you are wrong.

You assume wrong. And even if Saddam did not have ties to Al Qaeda he still supported terrorists giving sanctuary to Abu Nidal and Abu Musab Al Zarqawi and paying Palestinian suicide bomber families $25,000. That is enough links to terrorism for me. Afghanistan has 2 products, opium and war. No way they were getting nukes.

As for Iran that was who I was reffering to. With Ahmadinejad's rhetoric and goals of highly enriched uranium to me that is a clear threat and indication of him acquiring nuclear weapons. Is he stupid enough to use them? I am not sure. As for a war with them I support it. The problem is that the EU is again showing no backbone and is backing down from sanctions. Saddly it will take some form of Iranian action to provoke a response from them.

 

do you beleive in a breakdown of Middle eastern nations? We start with Iraq, we work our way over to afganistan, then syria, develope a state system to attack Iran, then attack Africa...Sudan, Kenya...etc?

Is this the proper agenda? Because this is the plan that has been layed out on the table for this "new world order" according to Reagon....this has been stratigized since the nixon administration and the neo-cons that have been influenced since the begining of the cold war. Do you really think the United states can dominate and occupy the middle east?

good lord...talk about roman empires and anti-tolerance....we are talking about a domination of an entire race of people. The goal of the neo-con over the past 30 years is to dominate the middle east...democrosize the middle east and influence them. Influence the trading policy of the middle east and create a world wide free trade that is dominated by the United States. Sure, free trade and democracy will free the middle eastern people. But it will promote capitolism that will destroy muslim/islamic religion. Westernizing this region will destroy the only things that they hold close...capitolizing this region will dominate this faith practice and destroy islamic faith forever.

THIS....this...is why they hate us. And this...is why we hate them. We want to capitolize this region. They won't let us, so we bring war....

Why do you think the WORLD TRADE center was attacked? Why do you think "Dubai" is invested by 80% of fortune 500 corporations? While they sit in dubai...they sit and wait...they are just itching to capitolize the middle east. Colonialize the middle east....isn't that what our forfathers protested? Isn't that why we slapped the East India corporation in the face back in 1773??

 

we already know the answers to all of these questions.uhh.. before we start spoutin'? i don't think i've ever said such a thing in my entire life, nor have i ever felt that way.once again, we already know the answers to these questions. these terrorists have made those answers loud and clear many, many times.

 

Everything you are saying is made up. Prove to me your claims above that this is what the Neo-cons want. As a Conservative I have never heard or seen these "grand schemes" for the world as you claim. If you have certain proof, and not more conspiracy theory type documents, put them on the table. Otherwise stop turning speculation and hypothesising into facts to base your arguments.

Islamic fundamentalists hate us because we are free. Our women are not slaves to us, have their own voice, and are allowed to vote and hold jobs. They hate that. We allow peoples of differing religous faiths or none at all the freedom to worship as they please. They hate that as they want everyone to convert to Islam. For the most part the West is largely secular and not run by Islamic Sharia law, and they hate that too. But most of all they hate Israel and because we support them they hate us too.

Nowhere have I seen anything about colonizing the Middle East. If anything the governments that have been set up in Afghanistan and Iraq prove that the US is not into colonization. Their governments were setup by the native peoples and voted for by the native peoples. That is not colonization but free countries determining their own future.

We do not bring war to the Middle East because we want to, we do it out of necessity in response to a direct or immediate threat to the US and our allies. It has nothing to do with colonization. Khadafi is the poster child for this. He renounced all his WMD programs, came clean, turned them over to the US, admitted fault in past terrorist attacks, paid restitution and because he cooperated he still runs his country free of international and US sanctions. If we want to colonize the Middle East and Africa as you claim why bother using the carrot with Khadafi? That is a real flaw in your argument.

Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, all have Islamic governments and are friendly to the US and are our stronger allies in the region. Investment flows into and out of those countries both ways, they are able to maintain Islamic customs and run capitalistic-type economies...all three are thriving economically.

This war is against Islamic radicalism that has hijacked the religion and use it as a means to justify their ends. It is incompatible with the world and they are left to using terrorism to achieve ther goals. They hate us for who we are not what we do and will not stop until we convert, we die, or my favorite option, they die.