MPM77

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Why are you comparing a car that is at the very near end of its life cycle to one that has just begun? Honda has not even gotten rid of all the previous gen. Accords from their lots yet! This is just rediculous! Most of the technology that you are boastin as better in the Accord was not around when the RL was first designed and then refreshed.

I do not think there is a person here that will doubt that the RL needs to be redone...this has been well proven and documented! Each time someone continues to bring up the RL's shortcomings it gets more and more repetetive...there is nothing new to report on this!

And as for the price of the RL versus the Accord there is a lot more that goes into the building of the RL. It is bigger, has more cargo and passenger space, is much quieter, has a smoother ride. You are paying more for the quality of the build to make the car feel a lot more luxurious when you are driving it. Plus not to mention the added service that you get when you go to an Acura dealership as opposed to a Honda dealership!

 

You're comparing a brand NEW Accord to a six year old RL, and two TOTALLY DIFFERENT CLASS CARS. :slap:

You only made my point clearer than higher priced vehicles does not equate to higher value. Comparing a mainstream midsize to a premium brand is not a valid comparison. Mainstream will always win in the value category because you don't pay thousands more for "service" fluff in premium brands. So in essense, the extra "service" fluff, such as a free demo/rental car, you pay thousands more for a MB or BMW or even a Lexus might be of convenience value to someone, but to the monetary value that most Honda/Acura customers focuses on, it is not.

You are so full of contradictions in your arguments. Now your stance is back to Executives driving premium cars over "Chrysler Sebrings" non-status symbole class cars. I thought you said they "have nothing to prove". You make absolutely no sense.

 

My Acura dealership (Acura of Milford) offers RSXs, TLs, and RLs, for their loaner vehicles. They give you them on a first come first serve basis from when you make your service appointment. Sure there are times they need to rent you a Grand AM or something b/c there are no more to give...but they rent it for you! They also pick you up at your house/work and will bring you back there while you wait if there is no more loaners and they will even bring you to the mall or someplace else if you are waiting for your car to be serviced. Why...because you opted to pay for a $30,000+ Acura as opposed to a $15,000 - $25,000 Honda!

 

Sweet sassy mollassy, ya'll ****ing quit it.

 

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And as for the price of the RL versus the Accord there is a lot more that goes into the building of the RL. It is bigger, has more cargo and passenger space, is much quieter, has a smoother ride. You are paying more for the quality of the build to make the car feel a lot more luxurious when you are driving it. Plus not to mention the added service that you get when you go to an Acura dealership as opposed to a Honda dealership!

Kazi, read and reread and read again the above statement and commit it to memory! :stupid: Then use the same reasoning when you compare a MB/BMW/Lexus to an RL or any other Acura. If you compare a 5-series/E-class to the RL ignore the comment about passenger/cargo space. The above quote is the "value" that you are paying for! You seem to place too much of a discount on what makes a luxury car a luxury car. I guess since you could get a Buick century comparable equipped to an RL there is alot of value for your dollar in owning a Century since its much cheaper. Truth is, the car is junk. The RL has a much better ride, handling, build quality and not to mention the service you would get compared to a GM store. I am not trying to compare an Accord and an RL or implying they are in the same class. What I have done was clearly identify that a car can be similarly equipped but have a large difference in price. This difference is the result of build quality, ride, service, convenience, etc. Remember, "Intangible" items. You won't see these intangibles on the window sticker with a price next to them, but they are there and that's the premium that the dealership charges. Maybe convenience, ride, build quality and service mean nothing to you but for someone looking for a luxury car it could mean the world. Walk into a Benz showroom; they kiss your asss much more than Acura. If your spending alot for a car you want to be pampered and treated professionally. You talk about how much value you get for owning an RL, well it all depends on how you look at it. When comparing a similarly equipped E-class for $10k more, yes. When comparing a similarly equipped Accord, No. However, in both scenarios you need to account for intangibles!


Where is Milford? I have been to 4 different Acura dealerships in my area, two of which have been Precision Team Award winners for numerous years and none of them offer the service that you talk about.

 

No, I think you need to re-read my first reply to you on what makes a Honda customer a repeat customer. I recognize there's a convenience value to the higher price of MB and BMW to Acuras, but you were talking about what makes a repeat customer to BMW and I said to reason what makes Honda/Acura customers become repeat buyers:

Sure BMW offers a load of premium cars in their product lines, but compare a TL-S to a 330 and C320, or even a ES300/IS300 with the same options. Then compare the reliability history of the german crowd to the japanese crowd. The TL-S cost thousands less and cost less in the long run. Acura provides one of the best bang for your buck in its class. Acura provides some of this "service" fluff or intangiable extras that MB, BMW, and Lexus offers, like a typical premium brand line, but probably not as high or ass-kissing as those MB, BMW, and Lexus that cost thousands more. Not all customers care to pay the extra thousands for these "service" fluff. That's what the Acura line (and to the same line Honda) is focused on. Value of the dollar. That was my whole point, but you went off tangent and talked on value of convenience of other "service" intangible fluff and some BS "study".

It can be split to this.
If you want to pay a premium for the value of convenience, go for an MB or BMW.

If you want to get the most value out of your dollar and don't care for the extra "service" fluff, go for an Acura or Infiniti.

Now can we lay this issue to rest?

 

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At the same time, most Honda/Acura customers also puts value of the dollar and efficiency in their needs. BMW and MB customers don't care for value. They have excess monatary money they can just blow away and don't care for paying thousands more for just the higher status of the brand name. But I'm not doubting Honda loses many customers who goes for V8s in the RL's class. But how many does it lose? And does it really justify it business-wise to invest millions of dollars for development a V8 for this very low market yet? See Q45. I doubt the M45 will be successful, but the jury's still out on that.

Nowhere in my original post did I mention anything about value for the dollar. In fact my post was merely stating that Acura does not offer many options to its customers. I agree that some of their customers consider value for the dollar. I disagree that if someone walked in an Acura showroom and wanted a more powerful RL with a tighter suspension they would just stop and say, I'll take it! If an owner of a 530 walks into BMW at the end of his lease term and came into some extra money. He could opt to purchase a 540 or M5 or even a 7-series. Now if an RL owner came off his lease and wanted some more fun and excitement He has no options. Hell even Honda offers options in its line. You could get an EX, LX or DX (until 2003) Accord. Therefore, if someone likes the product they could individualize it and purchase what they want. With Acura its an RL with or without Navi. That's it! You don't like it leave! Instead of Sure Sir, have you heard about the AMG package that we offer on our E-class. It provides you with.......

 

I never said you said that. I said it, and it was the very first line in my first reply to you in this thread. That was the whole base to my argument to your reply about repeat customers that you were talking about.

And I stated it in MY reply that:

 

You have both destoryed this ****ing thread. Enough already, take it to pm or aim or email or whever.

Its come down to, you didnt read what i said, reread it, and my theory is correct.

Just STFU, please. Hopefully a mod will delete all this crap.

 

Milford, CT

I am not sure if they have any awards from American Honda or what not, but they are an extremely good dealership...they are part of a chain owned by some guy Lorensen...he has Honda, Acura, Toyota...and some I forget but they are all excelent in their reputations for dealing with customers before, during, and after purchase.