If the new TSX is based on that concept vehicle shown by Honda last fall, I think it will likely use an engine very similiar to the RDX's engine, namely a 2.4-liter I-4 with turbocharger rated at around 250 bhp (SAE 08/04 net). Of course, SH-AWD will be an option, but the base car will have a limited-slip differential.

 

more horsepower != better performance. :slap:

 

Well, since we are talking about honda engines, I believe they have no made the slightest bit of progress in the engine department for years. They enjoyed the success of their engines of late 90ies and early 00s, when they had the highest hp in class on most of their vehicles, but what about now?

GSR/ITR vs RSX/RSX-S. Did the RSX gain on the good old Integra? Mere 10hp for ITR vs RSX-S, and only due to displacement increase. Sure its more refined, blah blah blah, but it can be gunned down with a damn neon or a cavalier.

Old TL-S vs new TL. No improvement whatsoever. Sure, 260hp from a 3.2 v6 was unheard of in the 90ies, but nowadays the new camry is coming with more than that. The TL should have at least 320.

Old RL vs new RL. Sure, 290hp from 215 is a nice step up, but its long overdue, and not enough for a 50k car. The new ES will come out with more than that (i predict 305), and the RL shouldn't even be competing with the ES.

Old civics vs new civics - no progress here, just increasing displacement.

Old accord vs new accord - 240hp from 200 was a nice step up, but still nothing new. Competition has caught up, but honda wont be able to up hp on the accord without upping it on the TL/RL first.

What else? Did Honda make any amazing engines lately? New NSX? New S2k?

They used to be my favorite company, but now I don't really give two craps about them. Not a single exciting car in their line up since the S2k, and they cancel prelude, integra, soon to cancel nsx, rsx, and probably the s2k. Great job honda.

 

Correct, especially if you were to lets say compare a Lotus Elise to a Chevy Suburban. When when you are comparing cars that are in the same class and the same price bracket, generally more horse power = better performance.

Drive the TSX head to head with IS250. Drive the TL head to head with G35 or IS350. Drive Accord head to head with new Avalon. Drive the RL head to head with GS430 or M45 or heck even the M35. You will quickly discover than Hondas have no balls whatsoever.

And the bad news for Honda is that Toyota and Nissan are really beefing up their HP. Honda on the other hand got slapped silly with the new SAE ratings - most manufacturers went up in HP and Honda went down.

 

However, the K24 engines actually has more horsepower with the new SAE 08/04 net ratings. For example, the K24 used on the Accord is now rated at 166 bhp, while the K24 used on the Acura TSX is now rated at 205 bhp, both due to changes in the valve timing and the engine computer programming for the 2006 model year. The new R18 engine on the Civic is truly rated at 140 bhp with the new rating, not surprising considering it uses an SOHC i-VTEC valvetrain, new for the 2006 model year.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that those horsepower gains were because of modifications to the engines for their mid-model refresh and not necessarily because of the revised testing procedures.

 

the es is not gonna have 300+hp
:rofl:
you are delusional
also.. honda got bitch slapped for the new ratings? IIRC many toyotas went down too so :slap:

 

Really? Well lets see, the camry is coming out with 268, avalon has been around for over a year with 280, so wont you think the ES will have to up them?

Given the fact that GS are getting engine upgrades for 2007, GS300 being upped to GS350 with 305hp (same as current IS350) and GS430 being upped to GS460 with 380hp, and the fact that the new ES is going to be ES350, wont you think that it's receiving the same engine as IS350 and GS350 making 305hp?

And no idea about the old camry, the new one is 268hp SAE.

 

not if it's fwd, which i believe it still is.

 

the current camry 4-cyl went from 160 to 154, the v6 went from 210 to 190