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SlprTeg, you're assuming that a boost wash condition exists in which unburned compressed a/f mixture makes its way out the exhaust valve before the compression stroke. IF such a condition exists, THEN your argument about power being lost due to lower EGT is correct.
However.
Stock VTEC cams do not have enough overlap (unless the phasing is played with via adjustable cam gears) to cause a boost wash under most conditions. Check out this dyno from importreview.com:

If you can't read the type, it's a stock GSR motor with some sort of way-too-big turbo. Look at the jump in power at the VTEC switchover. It's exaggerated a bit here because of the huge turbo but it demonstrates that there's definately not a loss of power when the VTEC lobes kick in.
However.
Stock VTEC cams do not have enough overlap (unless the phasing is played with via adjustable cam gears) to cause a boost wash under most conditions. Check out this dyno from importreview.com:

If you can't read the type, it's a stock GSR motor with some sort of way-too-big turbo. Look at the jump in power at the VTEC switchover. It's exaggerated a bit here because of the huge turbo but it demonstrates that there's definately not a loss of power when the VTEC lobes kick in.
Originally posted by SlprTeg
True, but to keep the manifold pressure the same, the turbo will have to spin faster. And when the turbo reaches its limits, then you will start losing power because the turbo cant make up for the lack of boost. And aince you are leaking boost, you are slowing down the turbo's cycle, causing boost lag. That air/fuel that got lost would have spooled the turbo alot better if it had combusted releasing its energy.
True, but to keep the manifold pressure the same, the turbo will have to spin faster. And when the turbo reaches its limits, then you will start losing power because the turbo cant make up for the lack of boost. And aince you are leaking boost, you are slowing down the turbo's cycle, causing boost lag. That air/fuel that got lost would have spooled the turbo alot better if it had combusted releasing its energy.
I know you are not so naive, that you think that the intake charge will push out 100% of the exhaust gases. They will intermingle, causing a vortex due to the extreme pressure differences. Which will amke it virtually impossilble not to leak boost and retain some exhaust gas in the chamber.
Explain to me how there's going to be an extreme pressure difference from a boosted intake charge entering the cylinder at the same time a boosted, burnt exhaust charge is exiting? Extreme temperature difference I'll give you, the pressure I won't, even in NA engines, gases attempt to disperse to gain an equilibrium pressure once released, the hotter exhaust gasses will always be at a higher pressure, until the exhaust valve opens. It really doesn't matter what the pressure of the incoming charge is, you are trying to deal more with port designs and vortices than merely the interaction of gases with heat and pressures.
Originally posted by MrFatBooty
I'm not trying to sound harsh here, but you're going to have to be more detailed than "I want the most power I can get." That's not a sort of a logical question which we might answer. More power can always be made somehow. Think about how much power you want your car to make, or how fast you would like it to do particular benchmark tests (i.e. 1/4 mile) and then pose the question of what you will need to accomplish this goal. Some examples:
"I have a GSR and want to make about 250-260 whp with a turbo. What kind of setup should I look at?"
"I have an LS and want it to run 13's with a VTEC motor and a turbo. Any suggestions?"
I think you get the idea.
I'm not trying to sound harsh here, but you're going to have to be more detailed than "I want the most power I can get." That's not a sort of a logical question which we might answer. More power can always be made somehow. Think about how much power you want your car to make, or how fast you would like it to do particular benchmark tests (i.e. 1/4 mile) and then pose the question of what you will need to accomplish this goal. Some examples:
"I have a GSR and want to make about 250-260 whp with a turbo. What kind of setup should I look at?"
"I have an LS and want it to run 13's with a VTEC motor and a turbo. Any suggestions?"
I think you get the idea.
Ok then...I have a GSR and I want to make about 265 whp with a turbo....what are the steps in accomplishing this??? And what kind of setup should I
at?? :thumbup: Oh yeah and some of ya'll really know ya'lls $hit Thanks :thumbup:
Originally posted by 1stGenCRXer
Explain to me how there's going to be an extreme pressure difference ...
Explain to me how there's going to be an extreme pressure difference ...
h: Thx for catchin that typo
Originally posted by ImportRac3r
Ok then...I have a GSR and I want to make about 265 whp with a turbo....what are the steps in accomplishing this??? And what kind of setup should I
at??
Ok then...I have a GSR and I want to make about 265 whp with a turbo....what are the steps in accomplishing this??? And what kind of setup should I
at??
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