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Old Sep 23, 2002 | 02:26 AM
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SlprTeg, you're assuming that a boost wash condition exists in which unburned compressed a/f mixture makes its way out the exhaust valve before the compression stroke. IF such a condition exists, THEN your argument about power being lost due to lower EGT is correct.

However.

Stock VTEC cams do not have enough overlap (unless the phasing is played with via adjustable cam gears) to cause a boost wash under most conditions. Check out this dyno from importreview.com:



If you can't read the type, it's a stock GSR motor with some sort of way-too-big turbo. Look at the jump in power at the VTEC switchover. It's exaggerated a bit here because of the huge turbo but it demonstrates that there's definately not a loss of power when the VTEC lobes kick in.
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Old Sep 23, 2002 | 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by SlprTeg
True, but to keep the manifold pressure the same, the turbo will have to spin faster. And when the turbo reaches its limits, then you will start losing power because the turbo cant make up for the lack of boost. And aince you are leaking boost, you are slowing down the turbo's cycle, causing boost lag. That air/fuel that got lost would have spooled the turbo alot better if it had combusted releasing its energy.
Last I checked, higher density fluids pushed out lower density fluids from the same occupied space. Again, overlap is between the exhaust and intake stroke, lasts very few thousandths of a second, and if a bit of fresh a/f mix makes it into the turbo manifold unburned, who cares? It's still a higher density charge at a lower temperature, sure it won't expand as much as if it were burnt, but volume is relative to heat, so it will expand as it's passing through the turbine. You will not cause lag due to valve overlap, you will cause worse lag if you try to run with very small or zero overlap.
I know you are not so naive, that you think that the intake charge will push out 100% of the exhaust gases. They will intermingle, causing a vortex due to the extreme pressure differences. Which will amke it virtually impossilble not to leak boost and retain some exhaust gas in the chamber.
100% efficiency is the goal, not the result.

Explain to me how there's going to be an extreme pressure difference from a boosted intake charge entering the cylinder at the same time a boosted, burnt exhaust charge is exiting? Extreme temperature difference I'll give you, the pressure I won't, even in NA engines, gases attempt to disperse to gain an equilibrium pressure once released, the hotter exhaust gasses will always be at a higher pressure, until the exhaust valve opens. It really doesn't matter what the pressure of the incoming charge is, you are trying to deal more with port designs and vortices than merely the interaction of gases with heat and pressures.
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Old Sep 23, 2002 | 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by MrFatBooty
I'm not trying to sound harsh here, but you're going to have to be more detailed than "I want the most power I can get." That's not a sort of a logical question which we might answer. More power can always be made somehow. Think about how much power you want your car to make, or how fast you would like it to do particular benchmark tests (i.e. 1/4 mile) and then pose the question of what you will need to accomplish this goal. Some examples:

"I have a GSR and want to make about 250-260 whp with a turbo. What kind of setup should I look at?"

"I have an LS and want it to run 13's with a VTEC motor and a turbo. Any suggestions?"

I think you get the idea.

Ok then...I have a GSR and I want to make about 265 whp with a turbo....what are the steps in accomplishing this??? And what kind of setup should I at??

:thumbup: Oh yeah and some of ya'll really know ya'lls $hit Thanks :thumbup:
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Old Sep 23, 2002 | 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by 1stGenCRXer

Explain to me how there's going to be an extreme pressure difference ...
I meant extreme temperature, my bad. Liek the weather shizzat :0) Extreme pressures dont cause vortexs h:

Thx for catchin that typo
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Old Sep 23, 2002 | 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by MrFatBooty

You said it was a big turbo, , so maybe it didnt spool til vtec kicked in j/k.
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Old Sep 24, 2002 | 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by ImportRac3r
Ok then...I have a GSR and I want to make about 265 whp with a turbo....what are the steps in accomplishing this??? And what kind of setup should I at??
Drag3 kit, TurboXS manual boost controller, 370cc/min injectors, A'PEXi V-AFC, Thermal R&D 3" exhaust, and a couple hours of dyno tuning. That should get you off to a good start.
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