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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 02:34 AM
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Wats up all, ive been doing a lot of research on the K20a2 swap into my pos 7thgen civic and was looking into the k20a2(type-s) cuz its a usdm motor and thought that it would get better luck getting it BAR approved. Would this swap be legal in the frist place going from a 1.7 sohc to a 2.0 dohc??? Im a tad bit confused over this whole motor swapping business. Then today, i was talking toa local shop taht swapped the jdm k20a (type-r) into 2 rsx's and said that both of their cars passed smog. So now another question is would the jdm k20a get BAR approved with all the right sensors intact in my civic? And if this can be done, what else is needed to get that stupid sticker of apporval. also does anyone think this swap is worth it??? all comments and suggestions are welcomed. just thought id turn to H-T for some adivse. thanks guys......
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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 10:06 PM
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The shop I had my work done at had done this very swap and it was impressive considering that in stock form a 7th gen Civ coupe ran 14.7 with the swap....this was also on the S engine ECU.

What is the BAR inspection you are talking about? I have not heard this term.

Just so ya know it runs through DEQ clean as a whistle too.
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Old Dec 20, 2003 | 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Nightshade
What is the BAR inspection you are talking about? I have not heard this term.
its a cali thing
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Old Dec 20, 2003 | 12:35 PM
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Yah us cali peeps have it quite dumb with emission laws. anyone have any more info on this?
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Old Dec 20, 2003 | 10:44 PM
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BAR = Bureau of Air Resources?

Kinda like DEQ up here I suppose (Department of Environmental Quality) which runs he emissions test places.

If you are doing the swap then you shouldn't honestly have a problem as long as al of the emissions meet your year of manufactures emissions standards and passes the sniffer.

Just like any other swap really but the swap is extensive work and adds up fast....just an FYI.

The one I have seen running off of factory ECU into a 7th gen Civ ran the guy about $4,000 not counting engine.
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BAR_ Bureau of Automotive Repair

i called and called and called and like after 20 mins of wait each time, they tell me to check the guidelines in which ive read voer and over which states that you can use a japanese motor but they said it has to pass cali laws and needs documentation that says that motor can be run in cali so know im like wtf... anyone have any bright ideas, im thinking that i can probably do the jdm k20A and run all emissions crap off of a type-2 k20a2. i dunno anyone think this would work or have any other sugestions??? thanks for the help guys
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by WorldsSlowestEm2
BAR_ Bureau of Automotive Repair

i called and called and called and like after 20 mins of wait each time, they tell me to check the guidelines in which ive read voer and over which states that you can use a japanese motor but they said it has to pass cali laws and needs documentation that says that motor can be run in cali so know im like wtf... anyone have any bright ideas, im thinking that i can probably do the jdm k20A and run all emissions crap off of a type-2 k20a2. i dunno anyone think this would work or have any other sugestions??? thanks for the help guys
We like I said before it should be the same as any other swap and the rules to that are.

Regardless of origin of manufacture or destination country the vehicle must maintain emissions equal to or better than the standards in place the year of manufacture.

This is the reason why when people talk about swap legality they many times state that the engine has to be the same year or newer than the car is. This is because if you do this you run no chance of a different ECU programming (ie OBDI/OBDII/OBDIII), and the engine has been made with that years current emissions package and standards and the engine has been made according to those standards.

Hope this helps a bit but it is the way I have aways read the laws on it and the way it has always been explained to me.
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Old Dec 21, 2003 | 01:35 PM
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