I think by the time this is over, she's gonna forget about her boyfriend at the tire store and hook it up with our own 98CoupeV6

I checked out the gallery at Butler tire...some awesome rides (and some crazy ones)
Thanks for the link poisonivee, and welcome to the board.

 

That happened to me, It was horrible, I need to ride Low pro's on my accord cuz I had Air Bags. But Its all good now, Dont let it happen to you...Latz

 

oh my! I didnt ask for a hook up now! But i DO APPRECIATE IT!

u rock! :bowdown:

btw.....i am just getting 2 tires...the first two tires i got from the Austell location about 3.5 weeks ago when my car was in for suspension work. I will just be getting two Wanli 1099(i think thats the exact model). I know Austell is selling them for $126 a piece...if he can do better than that...or just break even with no high speed balance charge($14 per wheel), then he has a NEW customer I'll probably be coming up there at the end of this month. Most likely the weekend of the 25th and 26th. If he wants to know....i have 18x7.5 wheels and i'm putting 225/40/18 tires on them. Those are bigger than my old once that were only 215 in width. Since he is the manager, he should know his stuff. I'm getting wider tires mostly to somewhat protect my wheel's better. Also it looks better...i like tires that kinda of bulge a little.

Thank you again poysinivee! Very considerate you are!

Dave

 

He said definitely call him- just make sure to ask for Craig and tell him where you came from. And you're welcome- I'm always up for helping in any way that I can!! :thumbup:

BTW, I would NEVER leave my boyfriend, especially not for someone who doesn't know their tire sizes and shops at tire rack... :fawk: hehehee.......

Plus, who would leave a guy who treats his car THIS well?



Ha!

 

The MXV4 is a piece of crap. It has about as much grip as Christopher Reeve. I tried to push its limits at Watkins Glen a couple years ago and almost died. I think I lost about a quarter of the tread the thing was squealing so much. The MXV4 is a tire designed for low rolling resistance, high tread life and a quiet ride. Those are the attributes that make it utter crap for anything but straight line driving. Not to mention the fact that it hydroplanes constantly.

Moving on, I don't understand how he can say that tirerack is only for price. It's not discounttire.com. They do their own tire reviews with a Lexus IS300 and a BMW 325i, and thousands of people have posted their own user reviews on tires. If I was shopping price, why would I lay down $140 on a Maximum Performance tire when I could get the MXV4's for 60 bucks apiece? The Potenza S-03 PP is the highest rated tire on tirerack.com and all of tirerack.com's reviewers (Dare I call them 'experts') say it's the best in the rain and almost the best in the dry and for road comfort. But I supose Butler Tire has done their own extensive testing of the Potenza S-03, from what you've said.

You could put your makeup on looking at this car. 90,000 highway miles and it still looked this good (I miss that car ):



Sorry I have no webhosting for a bigger picture, imagestation will have to do. They kind of distort quality.

My mistake on the tire sizes, the LX-V6 Coupe is 215/65/15. I forgot how damn big the sidewall is. That equates to 215/55/16.

 

:stupid:

No one ever said the MXV4 was a performance tire. Like I said before, that tire comes as factory equipment on cars that are not designed for performance, like the Mercedes S-Class and many BMW's, even Camry's and Lexus uses it because it is the best riding tire out there (as I said before, for highway use) The fact that you tried to even put that tire on the track is incredibly amusing. That likens to many tire customers going "gee, I only got 15,000 miles out of my "Z" rated tires, I must have a defect." What were you thinking? You can argue all you want about the ups and down's of the S-03 tire, but the fact remains that it is an O.K. tire at a fair price. If you weren't shopping price, why would you not go to an actual tire store and let them put some tires on your car that you buy from them? Any decent tire store can order that tire. Fact is, you won't find many that carry it in stock. I won't go into why, but lets just say that the truly discriminating customer thinks it's crap. We can continue a pissing contest until we run out of hard drive space--you have your opinions about the tire, we have ours. Fact again, Butler Tire services MOST of the high performance cars in Atlanta, and even though they are a Bridgestone dealer, the S-03 is not a tire that they have ever carried...

Pricing aside, if you really want a tire that handles rain, handles the track, is extraordinarily quiet, and looks good, buy yourself a Michelin Sport Pilot (or Pilot Sport if you like). Remember, you get what you pay for and you pay for what you get. You can't make chicken salad with chicken SH!T.

-poysonivee and co.

 

The idea wasn't to put the tire on the track to begin with. I had driven down there with my girlfriend for the Porsche Challenge and the opportunity to drive on the track for 3 laps presented itself. I bought the SP9000's a week later. Since then I've gone to open track events there with SP9000's and the S-03's. The S-03's handled much better, especially at the limit, with less body roll and understeer and far less tire squealing. I get about 2 summers out of my Z rated tires, or about 25,000 miles. The fact that you stick up for the MXV4 is very amusing. It has been ripped constantly by automotive publications and it is not built for handling. I am not a straight line speed guy, I enjoy a good handling tire. I find the S-03 much more comfortable and eager to go faster on the highways than the MXV4 as well. If I was shopping price, I would have either gotten the MXV4's again or something similiar. I shopped for the best tire in a reasonable, and the S-03 has gotten the best reviews by experts (people that have actually tested them back to back with other tires). it's funny you mention the Pilot Sport, as that was my second choice. However, I could not find it in 215/55/16, and it is a very expensive tire. But all in all, I'd say it's impressive that more owners (I guess they're not experts though, since they aren't tire salesmen) surveyed would buy the Potenza S-03 again than the Pilot Sport.

But hell, the Pilot Sport and S-03 were compared back to back. What did Tirerack have to say? All the subjective categories were about equal, with the Pilot having a slight edge in comfort categories and the S-03 having the edge in performance categories. Let's compare lap times:
Dry
Michelin Pilot Sport - 31.42 seconds
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 PP - 31.12 seconds
Wet
Michelin Pilot Sport - 32.61
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 PP - 32.15

"On the track in the dry, the Pilot Sport showed crisp response on initial turn-in, but was willing to understeer slightly when pushed to the limit. The Pilot Sport ran lap times equivalent to the other tires. In the wet, the Pilot Sport’s tread design and silica-enhanced compound provided good traction and responsiveness, matching the average lap times of the Pirelli PZero Rosso Assimetrico, but could not equal the performance of the Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position."

"On the road, the Potenza S-03 Pole Position provided a good blend of road comfort and responsive handling, appropriate for the max performance tire category. Although not compared side-by-side, the new tire road noise levels and ride comfort of the S-03 Pole Position seemed to lose a little ground vs. its predecessor, the Potenza S-02 Pole Position.

The sporting nature of the Potenza S-03 Pole Position’s road manners was evident on the test track. In the dry, the S-03 Pole Position offered a good combination of overall grip and responsiveness and was highly praised for its composure and exceptional grip under braking at the threshold of wheel lockup, giving it the slight lead in dry lap times. In the wet, the Potenza S-03 Pole Position really showed its stuff, providing a level of driver confidence under cornering and braking (and quickest lap times) that just wasn’t attainable with the other tires in this test."

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/bs_s03_rd.jsp

Amd the S-03 PP is replacing the S-02 PP, BTW. But I suppose Tirerack comparing these tires back to back in 3-Series BMWs just doesn't compare to the expertise of a tire salesman who has talked to people who had them on their Civics, right? No offense, but I like proving my point and I'm very stubborn. I can't wait until I take my S-03 equipped Accord to Watkins Glen this May for open track

You're right about the chicken shit comment. But what does it have to do with this? And anyone that doesn't shop for the best price is a moron. Why would I give up my hard earned money just for better service when I can get professional first hand reviews online?

 

You haven't proven anything. No expert anywhere would argue that the MXV4 is a performance tire. It's not sold, nor advertised as one. For the purpose its built for, its the best at what it does.

And, BTW, my boyfriend is not just some "tire salesman" who talked to a couple of Civic owners. As I said before, go look at the website if you want a taste of the wide range of car lovers that they service. They are, hands down, THE performance tire and wheel specialists in Atlanta. And in my opinion, talking face-to-face with customers for 36 years is enough experience in my book to listen to.

My boyfriend wants to continue about this but I am tired of it... if you really want to argue the point with him, he told me to tell you it has terrible road force measurements, consistently requires more weight to balance than a michelin, is not built to as high a tolerance as a michelin, etc, etc.....

you boys, always needing to be right about crap...

 

I've proven that the Potenza S-03 is a superior tire to anything in its class. You're right, the MXV4 isn't designed for performance. But again, what does that have to do with anything? Did you even read my post? I said the S-03's are quieter than the MXV4's, not handle better (which they obviously do, by alot).

I don't really give a damn about how hard it is to balance them or road force measurements, as I've never felt any sort of vibration from them. The build toleration comment is sort of last resort, it's not like the S-03's are falling apart or else people would say so. All I care about is ride comfort, noise comfort, wet handling, dry handling, and road feel. The S-03's give me the best performance I can get for a decent price.

Your Butler Tire website is very nice, filled with lots of pictures. Lots of Japanese import owners with poor taste. I'm sure your boyfriend is very knowledgeable and isn't talking out of his ass, but the fact is he has never done a side by side comparison in the same car testing different tires like tirerack.com. He seems to hold a grudge against tirerack for stealing business and the such, which is okay, but I find it hard to believe that he somehow discredits the website. I'm very partisan by nature, and I shopped for hours upon hours, poured through pages of owner reviews of tires, and finally decided on the S-03. I appreciate your help by trying to convince me to get different tires, but you have provided no evidence to convince me to switch other than testimonies which I haven't read/heard first hand. Thanks anyway though, and your boyfriend has a sweet job. Probably underpaid, but I would take a pay cut (well, for awhile) to look at Porsches and BMWs all day

 

first....that car looks awesome! Very clean! Make me want to crack some eggs on the hood and make some breakfast

but to the point.....

Yes...i'll call him about a week before i plan on getting them and see what he has to say....u said he's the GM right? Just to make sure who to ask for.

I'm gonna put my $0.2 in here. I dont care abou the tire brand argument..but i will say somethin about tirerack....

I think their purpose is tires and tires ONLY..yes they sell some wheel/tire packages..but i think the STRONG point is tires...discount tires because they are a major reseller of them. They can afford to drop the prices low. No offense to butler tire but when i had my car accident and a chunk of tire was taken outta one of my Yokohama Parada's, my insurance company called butler tire up and they quoted him i think $220-240 for ONE tire! When you can go on tirerack.com and get a newer tire(Parada's Spec-2)for a whopping $141. That puzzled me but it made sense.

Yes i see that butler tire is a performance specialist, and now that i have been introduced to them through my insurance company, i will most likely go to them when i want my car lowered and any other suspension choices. They seem very knowledgible about what they are doing.

BTW..you know any single female Butler Tire managers? LOL...j/k You are in for a world of cheapness when you hook up your accord! Consider yourself blessed with a great b/f!

Again thanx for mentioning me to your b/f, i will be calling him about the 20th or so of this month!

Dave